imeem disabled

Sorry guys, imeem songs will be disabled until further notice.

We’re working on it…

EDIT: OK guys. We’ve turned the imeem integration back on. Sorry for the wait. You’ll notice much more imeem results starting next week, in the meantime we are using the weekend to make sure everything runs smoothly. Make sure to email support@blip.fm with any strange bugs.

If you notice an increase in the number of 30 second clips (international users) we are working hard to give you the best results we can.

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103 Comments

Miss_Bella  on April 22nd, 2009

:( nooooooooooooooo

daihard  on April 22nd, 2009

I’d be curious to know why…

Karuna  on April 22nd, 2009

What happened?? My bliplist from the last 2 days looks like a crime scene. I had a whole lot of Imeems goin on. Technical issue or political?

BeardyBrave  on April 23rd, 2009

^ Have a look at the comments from the New Noise post. Imeem introduced a glut of 30 second clips.

Good decision Ian - hope you manage to fix it but it’s far better to be back to basics right now imho.

dubstarr  on April 23rd, 2009

Hmmmmmmm……Yeah there were a lot of teasers but Imeem improved blip approx 35% in my opinion….
The only thing that stops blip.fm being a perfect work day companion is the lack of tracks…..

mysticalchicken  on April 23rd, 2009

@Miss_Bella That was my exact reaction upon reading this. And after I had just blipped a bunch of imeem songs, too, including several that hadn’t been available before from my favorite band.

AngelStrange  on April 23rd, 2009

OK that’s why half my Blips are missing. What’s with that?

DeAnn  on April 23rd, 2009

I am with Miss_Bella also…lots of good tracks I blipped are unavailable now. Plus, my own issue has not been addressed with me not being able to reblib ANY tracks anymore due to a high # of fav. DJ’s hosing up my acct.

Frustration, frustration….oh well :o

ptneves  on April 23rd, 2009

Great news!
Now blip works again with firefox :-)
Although it conflicts with flashblock it’s playable.
Thank you very much.

peedub  on April 23rd, 2009

Nice concept, but ultimately this was bound to happen. It’s unfortunate as I had some pretty good songs up. I’m sure by the end of the day, my DJ list will be decimated even more.

Jen  on April 24th, 2009

Also imeem wasn’t working as well for non US residents since we would get only 30 sec previews.

@briangreene  on April 26th, 2009

I didnt realise there was a geographic experience on imeem. That would explain lots. I wonder if blips blipped in full in USA were actually 30 seconds in R.O.W.? or was the R.O.W. DB flooded with 30sec samples to make imeem seem bigger than it was. What I want in social radio is the social skills of blip, the spotify tracks (and some more_ and last.fm artist info / sim engine (only better). Someone build it before Murdock gets it. radio2.0now

Gerry  on April 26th, 2009

So glad imeem is gone for now!

coskunlar vinc  on April 28th, 2009

Have a look at the comments from the New Noise post. Imeem introduced a glut of 30 second clips.

gooeykabloui  on April 29th, 2009

this is lame. i was about to quit blip.fm until imeem came along. blip.fm has a serious lack of content

auxed  on April 29th, 2009

imeem sucks!

willker kauan  on May 2nd, 2009

hy yous me add :) i am brasil :)

Katmassive  on May 3rd, 2009

Whoa there was imeem now i’m kinda intrigued

TheUnclean  on May 4th, 2009

is this going to change anytime soon, or is that it?

ZachsMind  on May 6th, 2009

Please take your time working on the imeem thing. If I wanted imeem, I’d go to imeem.com. I want blip.fm. That’s why I’m over here instead.

I have this problem over at youtube.com. I don’t want crackle.com. If I wanted crackle.com I’d effin’ go to crackle.com. If you upload vids to youtube, don’t then tell me to go somewhere else. Sheesh!

deepikasd  on May 6th, 2009

okay.. so i get the fact that imeem has the 30 sec preview for some of their songs.. but why can’t we put a link to the ones that don’t have 30 sec previews. and plus, most of the time when you type a song into imeem.com’s search, the song link that’s displayed is for the most played one. if you click on it and scroll down, on the right hand side there is a link for duplicates. if you browse the duplicates, you can always find at least one duplicate that is not 30 sec long. so why can’t we use those?

drdebs  on May 7th, 2009

Can you please post an update on this situation? some of us would really like to know if this is every going to get resolved. Imeem offered thousands of new songs and once you got a taste of it, the old Blip library seems lame.

Pissed Off  on May 8th, 2009

I’ve been meaning to put up a post for a while but just haven’t gotten around to it. Yeah, I’m pissed off, not at the guys at Blip, but all of the fucking freeloaders on this site that are quick to criticize without realizing that this is a free site that has made our lives a shitload better. As a developer myself, I’ve come to understand that EVERYONE has a an opinion and, quite frankly, you can’t please them all.

I also know that the Blip guys are also probably trying to figure out how to keep the major labels happy, grow the user base, and figure out how to make enough money to keep it FREE for all of us to use. For you FREELOADERS that continue to complain, FUCK YOU and go away. Cut these guys some slack as they are working their asses off. It’s a Friday night and they pushed a new release live, while the rest of us are starting our weekends - drinking beers and doing whatever.

I’ve spent time on Pandora, Last.fm, Imeem, MySpaz, Playlist, etc. They’re all having their share of troubles. Blip has received its share of grief as well. But, the guys at Blip are really doing some great stuff. Don’t lose heart fellas. I’m supporting you folks whatever you do.

pyrrho  on May 9th, 2009

Still getting lots of 30s clips. Could you at least identify imeem tracks when searching, then I know not to try them?

daveraleigh  on May 9th, 2009

pyrrho - you can see if its an imeem track by looking at the loading/site info that shows up in the bottom left of your browswer.

pyrrho  on May 9th, 2009

Don’t see anything there. Using Safari.

GR8FL  on May 9th, 2009

I am good with imeem, but don’t understand why there are refresh issues again with blip (home page, reply page, etc). BTW - I do appreciate all what you have done to make this site available and would be glad to contribute $$ if that would help even more.

And a note to Pissed Off - why don’t you let us know your blip name? I would be glad to blip you my opinion.

purplesime  on May 9th, 2009

Dear PissedOff,
This isn’t about freeloading, this is about an experience. Imeem has caused huge problems for some users and we, as users, have a right to complain.

I have clicked Blip ads, I have purchased music I’ve heard on Blip (but not through Blip, cos they don’t support UK users in the same way as they do US users - at least as far as I can gather via Amazon).

And I’d happily pay to use Blip, but that’s never been mooted.

So, instead of using disgraceful and immature language, perhaps we might take some of your better points a bit more seriously.

I, personally, am not peeved at Blip’s developers, but more at Imeem as it doesn’t work for international users. It’s introduction has seriously affected my Blip experience.

I have, since joining Blip back in August 2008, introduced hundreds of people to the site, bought about £500 worth of music I would never have heard if I hadn’t used this site and clicked on several ads, which support the service.

Oh, and I’m not hiding behind a phony username and wtf.com to make my voice heard.

So please, add to the debate in a mature and adult way and I’ll happily engage you. And if Blip wants me to pay a subscription fee then they should sort that out. Or get that iPhone app out and I’ll pay to download that!

In the meantime, keep your foul language to yourself and don’t assume because I’m complaining that I’m a freeloader.

Thanks.

Diordan  on May 9th, 2009

Geeez I hate those 30 secs tracks!

ptneves  on May 9th, 2009

Is there a way to turn the £§€§£ imeem off, I mean to alow us users not to have the benefit of imeem?
Note, if I wanted imeem I would use imeem site not Blip. And with all the imeem problems back, using Blip is getting too much hard work.

Shahi  on May 9th, 2009

OK. I registered on imeem.com - it’s more convenient there than on blip because they allow you to exclude 30sec clips and listen to only full.

twentyfour  on May 9th, 2009

Blip.fm wouldnt have made it this big, if you could only blip 30 sec snippets. That’s what ppl at Blip should be looking at. They can go down as fast as they rose if they take away the key benefit users have - listening to song. Songs, not 30 sec of them.

vacui  on May 9th, 2009

This imeem thing sucks! At least give us an option to turn it off!

overrated-j  on May 9th, 2009

2nd that… i’m getting tired of listening only 30 seconds of a song.

At least let us turn imeem off

rubikoO  on May 10th, 2009

I like the broader choise brought by imeem, and I believe it could work if
- users could have the chance to filter it out on search, e.g. -domain option in the search string
- the player would be visible on search too, without the need to play some imeem blip first
- search hits shorter than 1 minute (for example) would be highlighted with some visual feedback

Thanks for the great fun you guys bring to us anyway, and keep the good work!

christyku  on May 10th, 2009

imeem would be great - IF it worked. Can’t get any tunes on imeem servers to play at all. Just cycles through the song list til it gets to something hosted on servers *other* than imeem. Those play fine. So there’s a problem with imeem integration. Hope you guys get it fixed quickly. If there’s a workaround, please post it.

@briangreene  on May 10th, 2009

when imeem came on first the choice of full tracks was greater. I have some benchmark irish artists and the searches for them now on blip is no greater now than when imeem was off.

30 second samples NEEDS AN OFF OPTION. I suggest cutting edge setting could take it. Enable advanced and beta features? yes | no.

Why did imeem go and return without solving the 30 second sample issue?

in general Im not playing the samples but DJs i follow are and its worse than audio adverts.

There is the added disadvantage that phase 2 imeem has less imeem player on screen for previewing making it even more possible to accidentally blip a 30 second sample.

This impact is having greater knock on issues than when the blip hosted S3 tracks were phased out. Yes the database needs more legal tunes, but nobody wants
1. a jukebox sampler
2. a U.S. v R.O.W. split on blip.

Im not a freeloader & would pay to blip, but adverts are a better option long term (not short) for blip not me, i think. The 30 second issue could raise the issue of audio adverts for non pro accounts like Spotify does. Google has a radio ad model that should fit social radios demographic and reach.

but I will let blip team run blip.fm, and not be shy to suggest, cajole, hint & praise where due.

Shahi  on May 11th, 2009

What does “freeloader” means? All of us make this site alive, it would be dead and abandoned without us and may turn into one more boring radio. Blip is so unique due to its DJs, so don’t call users “freeloader”. I would never pay for the job I do on this site, but I don’t consider myself as a “freeloader”, it would be good if THEY pay me for MY job - I waste my time trying to choose good music and blip it for listeners - and it’s all for free! Others in real world usually get money for this job.
They give us a technical basis and possibility to blip, that’s all, certainly, it’s pretty much, thanks for that, but the real heart of Blip, are DJs. So DON’T CALL the gist of this site “freeloaders” - it’s a shame.

GR8FL  on May 11th, 2009

Please disable imeem until this 30-sec issue is resolved for ALL blippers. I don’t need to blip wonderful music that can only be heard entirely by those in the U.S. We can survive without the advantage of additional music selections.

I would be glad to make monetary $$ contributions to help blip along and I am sure others also would.

But please don’t destroy what has been wonderful for the international community that makes up blip. I am here for the love of music and it needs to remain enjoyable for everyone…

Jalire  on May 11th, 2009

A big part of my enjoyment here is listening to the replies that are sent to me and the other tracks in the stream that people are blipping.

Unfortunately now with imeem the majority of those (for me) are 30 sec clips, if they play at all. It seems that now there is usually about half of a page of struck out/unavailable blips which is frustrating to say the least.

It also cuts into the dialogue I have with other people another factor in my enjoyment. There are only so many ways you can say “thanks for that but I couldn’t listen to it” before it becomes irritating for them and me.

I love blip and am a total addict to the people and the songs so I hope this situation can be sorted out for those of us outside the US.

GR8FL  on May 11th, 2009

comment to @briangreene - often there is no way to tell the blip will be imeem until it is blipped… sorry about that. I will try to avoid imeem as much as possible.

rubikoO  on May 11th, 2009

I spoke too fast on my previous comment… in fact, as GR8FL pointed out, for people outside U.S. most full length tracks become 30 seconds annoying samples… More, I have blips that i checked before as full lenght and now became 30 sec as well :\
This spoils the all fun for everybody really.
Now on I also will avoid imeem as well…

Puya  on May 11th, 2009

Dear blippers,

The imeem is back! Yey! Blip a song and you’ll see :)

taxibob  on May 11th, 2009

Please do not destroy a wonderful international community of music lovers by allowing imeem blips to be only 30 second clips to non US blippers. I would be happy to contribute to Blip.fm if that is what it takes. I won’t knowingly blip a imeem song until this is resolved.

avivamagnolia  on May 11th, 2009

Most of the folks I exchange blips with are ex-U.S. It’s disappointing to find that I can no longer participate in music discovery with the 75% of non-U.S. friends I’ve made on Blip.fm.

Will the “30-second” restriction be a permanent state-of-affairs for ex-U.S. folks?

I don’t understand why music that’s freely available on imeem.com ~ with no 30-second-clip restrictions for anyone ~ is restricted on Blip.fm..

I don’t want to invest time in Blip.fm if such restrictions are actually an intentional part of Blip/imeem’s business plan.

Looking forward to hearing back from Blip.fm folks on this “30-second-clip” issue.

oboreruhito  on May 11th, 2009

Boo. Let me filter out imeem stuff.

GR8FL  on May 11th, 2009

Blip.fm is a global music community and @all should enjoy the music equally. If imeem plays 30-sec clips for the rest of the world about 90% of the time, what is the point of having such a community? Surely, it will be destroyed as it exists today.

Please disable imeem until this issue can be resolved. Meanwhile, I will not intentionally blip anything that is imeem.

Thank you.

gaussianblur  on May 11th, 2009

I’m so sad. I’ve found my place on the net… Now it’s gone. The imeem tracks should be marked or something… I only get 30 secs and a lot of angry :D

Send Imeem for a ride. We’re better without it! Thanks.

musing  on May 12th, 2009

Will ya’ll send an email when the imeem thing is fixed? As an “international” user, I look forward to full length blipping again.
THANK YOU for all of your hard work. You know you have a community that loves Blip!
Best.

mrvolvo  on May 12th, 2009

Within minutes of finding blip I was telling all of my mates to sign up and be part of the community. It became the website that was always loaded. At home and especially at work blip began to creep ahead of facebook as the website that got loaded first…

Within 30 seconds of finding imeem that was over.

I’m voting for a profile option that asks: “Only display tracks over 1 minute”

gReg0r  on May 12th, 2009

i’m currently using the desktop app blipster for blip.fm and beside the fact, that imeen provides me with 30 sek. snippets only it bugs me, that those imeen blips mess up my playflow because they can’t be played within blipster :/

get rid of this imeen support and start supporting adding untagged files (custom tagging?!) like myspace player files or cc free music

laugesen  on May 12th, 2009

Imeem = 30 second clips from hell… :(

diegoconsolini  on May 12th, 2009

Please, tag the imeem songs for us intl users it would be great help until it don’t get worked out!

avivamagnolia  on May 12th, 2009

I have noticed something terrible: Almost ALL tracks are now IMEEM tracks. Tracks that were ONLY YESTERDAY playing as Blip tracks are now playing ONLY through the imeem player widget.

I can only conclude from this (unless otherwise advised) that ALL Blip tracks will be converted to IMEEM tracks, or deleted.

That means that I won’t be able to share music with some very important (to me) people here. One of my favorite DJs (hajoni) can only hear about 20% of the tracks I blip. That was yesterday. Today, he can only hear 5-10%.

I predict that ALL of Blip.fm music will - very soon - be playable ONLY through imeem.

Miss_Bella  on May 12th, 2009

Weird, I don’t get any 30 seconds anything. It all plays fine for me :)

threebears  on May 12th, 2009

My guess is blip.fm will go with Imeem for advertising/contractual obligations. (Otherwise why re-enable imeem with its inherent problems for international users). Having looked at some imeem legal fine print - I think imeem “will chew you up and spit you out”

Hope I’m wrong.

Sympathise with Fuzzygroove, Yan and Jeff as I think they’re between a rock and a hard place.

The feedback/communication is going in one direction with us left in the dark about what is going on.

Many have invested massive amount of time blipping but we have no rights.

There is a certain amount of bullying and intimidation that informs us that expressing our concerns or protesting our dissatisfaction regarding imeem is disloyal or interferes with blip.fm’s ability to sort things. I feel that this emotional blackmail whilst successful in shutting us up is against everyone’s interest.

Jessica Schiller  on May 12th, 2009

Dear all,

your integration of Ineem really is a big problem for me as international user since the experience using blip.fm isn’t good anymore. Having a lot of 30 second songs does make using blip.fm pretty useless. Today, nearly every third song comes from Ineem. Too bad.

I really would appreciate a way to switch that off.

Cheers,
Jessica

laugesen  on May 13th, 2009

Imeem brought my blip.fm experience from easy, fun, worthwhile to a complete halt. Playing blips is a pain because three quarters of them are 30sec useless clips. Finding songs to blip is as good as impossible because 90% of the suggested songs are Imeem (s)craps…

Too bad, I really liked blip.fm. But it just became irrelevant and useless to me :(

Blue Tyson  on May 13th, 2009

Thanks for explaining why about the stupid 30 sec clip thing I discovered today!

Turn it off please, useless.

The_Kraken  on May 13th, 2009

As a user / lover of Blip I feel let down by the integration with Imeem.

Before those deals were struck, Blipping new tracks was a much simpler experience. Now I’m having to watch out for and circumvent the Imeem tracks in the list.

This gets frustrating when blipping new tracks, but is even more frustrating when listening to everyone else’s tracks.

Blip, for me, isn’t about putting on the music I want to listen to (I could use iTune or Last.fm or Spotify for that) it’s about discovering new music suggested by like-minded people. For that, I’d be prepared to pay, look at and click on adverts or have the occasional short interruption. What I’m not prepared to do is listen to 30 secs worth of a track, especially if I know that the intended purpose from the person putting it on is for others to hear the whole thing.

For now, I’m not going to abandon Blip as I’ve invested a lot of time and effort into building up a good list of people who have similar musical taste, but I am unhappy about the Imeem integration and would like to see some concessions made toward users outside of the US. Whether that’s flagging of Imeem tracks in the blip list or, preferably, Imeem abandoned.

Please Blip team - make the right (not rights) choice and stay true to your original vision for the site.

GR8FL  on May 13th, 2009

comment to @The_Kraken and others… I can tell immediately when previewing a track that it is imeem because it shows the source in my status bar (I use Firefox) and also the imeem app loads under my avatar. So why don’t you avoid imeem until the blip team works out these issues?

I am from the U.S. and this entire week I have avoided blipping imeem just so users like you could appreciate the blips. It is easy for me to find them and often times there are multiple selections for the same track - it just takes a little longer to find them. A little patience is all that is needed.

Please don’t tell me my efforts to be considerate to the international community have gone in vain… this boycott idea only hurts other blippers and like I said before, it hurts me.

Freddie  on May 13th, 2009

You can easily spot the iMeem tracks using the desktop app Blipster, More info at http://www.saveastream.com and http://www.leolobato.org

I call upon everyone, don’t Blip the iMeem tracks!

Diordan  on May 13th, 2009

briangreene said all…. as usual

wanbaclone  on May 13th, 2009

I agree with the general sentiment here. The best option would be the ability to have a preference that allows a user to disable imeem if they so wish. This would allow US users to use imeem if they’d like while those elsewhere don’t have to listen to clips.

If there isn’t a toggle for disabling imeem, it would be best to scrap imeem completely. Frankly, if I lived outside the US, and I heard mostly clips, I’d stop using Blip.fm.

I hope these comments are helpful. I love Blip.fm and want it to continue on for a long time!

CalebBooker  on May 13th, 2009

Guys, please, kill the imeem thing. It’s ghastly.

- Random 30 second clips (which remain untagged as such!!!)
- Even more ads, and they’re ugly, and they detract from the full-graphic ads that I’m much more likely to click
- Its glitchy in a half-dozen ways I’m sure you’ve heard about.

Besides, you’re WAY too early in the startup phase of blip.fm to go messing around with it this way. You’re still building your userbase.

Focus on an API, blips to Facebook, more prominent (or regularly changing) “buy MP3″ links, that kind of thing. Or build to flip. Just… don’t risk screwing it up like this.

GR8FL  on May 13th, 2009

All - this has been a frustrating week for anyone tuned into the global blip community. This imeem issue has become so divisive and it makes me very sad.

My reasons for blipping first and foremost are to have fun and list to great music. I appreciate the blippers from all over the world who have introduced me to music that I had not heard before. I appreciate being able to share music that others had not heard before. In the near 6 months that I have been on blip, for the most part, I have found this a very enjoyable experience.

For those that don’t know, outside of U.S., most imeem blips are 30-sec clips rather than full tracks. I know the blip development team is working hard to resolve this issue and patience is a must during this process.

Solutions? Maybe you could try a IP munger - an http proxy that is hosted inside the USA and does not reveal your IP address.

And don’t blip imeem if you want users outside of the U.S. to hear it. I have no way of knowing which ones work and which ones don’t, so I decided to not blip any. In most cases, I have found a non-imeem version for the song I am looking for. Yes, it takes more time to do this and yes, it is a pain in the ass. But it is worth it to me.

I use Firefox and can tell immediately what the source is as soon as I preview it. The server name shows up in the status bar at the bottom and also the imeem app loads near my avatar.

I don’t understand why some people find it is easier to file a protest, plan a boycott and give the blip team shit, rather than try other solutions while they work out this problem.

Blip is free people. Blip is supposed to be fun. Please, let’s keep it that way.

purplesime  on May 13th, 2009

@GR8FL

You’re right, it’s getting divisive and that’s wrong. I’m not boycotting Blip (I have it on in the background) but the problem for most of us non-US users is that the source is not shown on preview, especially for imeem tracks. Or, track that were not imeem one day are now nothing but…

Hadn’t thought of using a proxy though (shows where my brain was the other day!) so will try that.

I’m a huge fan of Blip and think the developers and guys behind the idea deserve all the praise heaped on them and not the flaming.

That said, until the issue is sorted, I am slowly wearing out my arrow keys flipping songs on, as a lot of those I follow are in US and therefore they have no need to worry about imeem.

At the moment there doesn’t seem to be a middle ground on this issue. Which is sad.

But you have made some great points and I hope others read your post.

Thanks ;-)

purplesime

ptneves  on May 13th, 2009

This imeem &%&%#$ brought me something good: I found some other sites where I can enjoy music (not 30 secs) and I don’t need IE to listen to it, yes the ALL are Firefox compatible (I don’t really know why you have brought 2 #$%&%$# to blip.fm: imeem and firefox incompatibility. Are they worth it?). Some of those sites have interactive communities also. It is not like blip.fm bi (before imeem) but they are very much more enjoyable than blip.fm ai (after imeem). I’ll keep looking at blip.fm wishing for the day the imeem &%&%#$ will be out of blip, or Hell freezes over. But if I’m not having fun with blip.fm I have no reason to use it.

belitcha  on May 13th, 2009

This 30 secs tracks, sucks!

alienfresh  on May 14th, 2009

@ptneves blip.fm works in Firefox, maybe you gotta flush your cache to make it work.

@fuzzygroove your last 4 blips were all accursed with the 30 sec thing here. just for your information.

ladypn  on May 14th, 2009

Still not sure if I fully get the controversy, but reading these posts - am I to gather that most imeem clips ONLY play 30 seconds in non-US locations, even if full clips IN the US? I second @GR8FL’s comments, we’re HERE for the LOVE of music & the social interaction Blip affords. I understand the financial constraints Blip is under. I too would rather PAY a yearly fee than lose what is great about Blip. The ability to truly enjoy & share the music I love, with people from all over the world.

ladypn  on May 14th, 2009

Also - I am TRYING to blip NON-imeem tracks. But all too often in preview, the imeem player does NOT appear, but after blipping, suddenly its THERE. So I can’t always blip “imeem free”, no matter how hard I try.

robotnik  on May 14th, 2009

Hi blip team,
Would it be possible for you to disable imeem for international users while you’re working on a solution against the 30 sec. clips? If the solution doesn’t turn out to split blip.fm and get a U.S. part and a rest of the world part, that is. Maybe the songs could be tagged with (imeem) so it’s easier to skip?

Of course there are financial interests which you are depending on, but I would rather take more ads (with an ad free option againt a fee).

The current situation generates a massive amount of badwill against imeem, which hurts the whole community. I will not leave blip, but I fear that a lot of non U.S. blippers will, if this isn’t worked out.

After all it is a good sign that people care about this so much and bring attention to it. We care because we love the music and this community and we are eager to keep it well and alive.

Thanks for your (in all other means) wonderful blip.fm!

Cheers!
Erik (aka robotnik)

avivamagnolia  on May 14th, 2009

I wish I knew what the best response to this imeem issue is. I’ve already had a favorite DJ quit listening to me - without telling me - despite the fact that I worked hard to blip as many non-imeem tracks as I could find, and label them as such, specifically for him and other non-US users.

Unfortunately, this particular DJ wants all U.S. users to completely avoid all imeem tracks - 100%. That’s a great temporary solution, but as I commented on the Blip.fm blog…I see many tracks that were recently “non-imeem” suddenly showing up as “imeem” tracks. I fully believe that ALL tracks will be “imeem” tracks in the near future.

The entire situation is really sad; I find it depressing. I don’t know if a boycott is going to be effective at (1) raising awareness; or (b) getting the desired outcome (which is for non-U.S. users to have full access).

Like GR8FL, I wish @Yan, @Jeff, and @Fuzzygroove would offer more information. Something similar happened at Last.fm recently; however, users were given more details, and were given advanced notice of changes in terms. This doesn’t change the fact that non-U.S. users of Last.fm have reduced access, but they have been given rather complete details on why Last.fm made business decisions that led to this outcome.

avivamagnolia  on May 14th, 2009

I think that this kind of transparency is important. When users spend lots of hours and invest their passion into a social website, it’s really not ethical for the hosts of that social website to change terms without warning.

It’s even worse to be given vague, pacifying remarks that amount to little, and see changes occurring that don’t seem to support the pacification claims.

I wish Blip.fm would just come out and “tell it like it is.” I feel “strung along,” and I hate having to waste my time and emotions on this unnecessary psychodrama. A little professionalism on Blip.fm’s part would be helpful.

I fully support GR8FL’s comments about devoting time to constructive solutions, rather than to a boycott. She suggested several REALLY PRACTICAL workarounds: (1) Use an “IP munger - an http proxy that is hosted inside the USA and does not reveal your IP address;” and (2) Blip only non-imeem tracks, if you have listeners who are frustrated by your playlist’s 30-second tracks.

avivamagnolia  on May 14th, 2009

I fully support GR8FL’s comments about devoting time to constructive solutions, rather than to a boycott. She suggested several REALLY PRACTICAL workarounds: (1) Use an “IP munger - an http proxy that is hosted inside the USA and does not reveal your IP address;” and (2) Blip only non-imeem tracks, if you have listeners who are frustrated by your playlist’s 30-second tracks.

This is a temporary workaround, of course. For one thing, I truly believe that all tracks on Blip.fm will soon be “imeem” tracks. Secondly, I agree with Three Bears about the Blip.fm leaderships failure to communicate when he says, “the silence from them has been deafening.”

Blip.fm is offering vague placations, rather than information. The conversation has truly been unilateral; many users have taken time to express concerns and offer help/solutions/suggestions. None of these have been responded to with anything but empty words and meaningless assurances.

Blip.fm has every right to monetize their website. It cannot exist without financial viability. However, the ethical thing for them to do is give users - who have invested an incredible amount of time and passion into building the social aspects of the site - a clear message about changing terms of service. Transparency is severely lacking here. Even Last.fm, who many still demonize for offering international users less favorable access terms, was much more forthcoming with information. Most importantly, they “told it like it is,” in advance, before changing user terms and privileges. They were blunt and clear. They provided honest, transparent details.

Unfortunately, Blip.fm leadership seems to be hiding out. I don’t know why. They have nothing to apologize for…except their lack of honesty, transparency, and willingness to engage with the very users they depend on to “spend money” on their website!

Meanwhile, I highly recommend that non-U.S. folks spend their time figuring out how to use that IP address concealer that GR8FL was talking about. That way, they’ll receive the same access to full-length imeem tracks that U.S. folks have.

The boycott, while understandable, is not going to be effective at this point, as far as I’m concerned. I agree with Three Bears that it would be best to delay the boycott, and spend some time educating and enrolling folks in the whole concept. Otherwise, it’ll be too small an effort to make a difference.

I seriously doubt that the boycott - even WITH more planning - is going to change Blip.fm’s business model, however. If they intend to broaden access to tracks for non-U.S. users, they’re already working on it. If they do not intend to - or cannot afford to do so - the boycott isn’t going to change their mind. A whole slate of new users will come along to fill in any users who’ve left - and they know this.

Okay. ‘Nuff said for now.

pyrrho  on May 14th, 2009

I’ve already noticed a host of tracks that were once available, but are now only on imeem. If that’s the way things are going - then imeem are just after the US (+Canada?) user-base of blip.fm.

Fair enough you’ve got to:

1. Be legal (that excludes hiding behind a US anonymizer)
2. Make money, or at least break-even.

Pandora and last.fm have both failed to succeed; how is blip.fm going to?

If I can’t listen to my favourite US/Canadian DJs’ tracks then there is no future for *any* global social-networking music site, as they always have to buckle to RIAA and other organisations.

I find it ironic that imeem hosts a whole load of non-US bands, but we can’t listen to them.

pyrrho  on May 14th, 2009

I have noticed a number of Indie labels have put their tracks onto blip.fm. I think that’s a way forward - to go around all the Indie labels and get them to host 2/3 tracks per artist/album. People like whistlin_indie are doing a fantastic job of promoting the lesser known bands.

avivamagnolia  on May 14th, 2009

PaulFrankRizzo, I’m glad you’re finding more tracks available; so am I. At first, I was delighted. However, the social structure of Blip.fm is breaking down.

Non-U.S. users are experiencing far FEWER tracks available (although 30-second clips are plentiful). In the absence of clear information from Blip.fm leadership, coupled with ruptures in relationships between U.S. and non-U.S. “blippers,” this website is becoming a troubling place to spend time.

Despite the fact that I’m advantaged by having more tracks, I prefer the relationships I had with non-U.S. users; it was THEY who turned me on to the most new music…and isn’t that what a “music discovery” site is all about? With the narrowing of the “bliposphere” to U.S. users, I fear that the diversity will be lost, and the “discovery” greatly reduced.

I’m also extremely dismayed at the uncertainty that has been created by Blip.fm leadership’s silence. People are second-guessing, posturing, and demonstrating all kinds of “angst” around the ambiguities, placations, platitudes, and empty words coming from Blip.fm “corporate.” It’s a real psychodrama…and not a very entertaining one.

I would prefer that Blip.fm come straight out and tell us what IS and what IS NOT possible, given their current business model. What exactly are the services being offered on Blip.fm? And to whom? What can non-U.S. users expect to see in the near- and mid-term future?

Vagaries about “solutions” that, frankly, seem “pie in the sky,” given what I know about the situation at Last.fm for non-U.S. users, are really disingenuous on the part of Blip.fm leadership, and decrease my confidence in the future of Blip.fm.

The lack of transparency on Blip.fm’s part is troubling, to say the least.

avivamagnolia  on May 14th, 2009

Pyrrho, I have also noticed - like you - that tracks previously “non-imeem” are FAST becoming “imeem” tracks. I’ve been commenting on this for about 4 days.

For some reason, a number of folks are still under the belief that Blip.fm is working to “fix” the problem with “imeem” tracks to make them available to non-U.S. users. I don’t believe that is the case. It’s naiive to think so.

Quite to the contrary, I believe that Blip.fm is working to “fix” the problem by converting as many tracks as possible to “imeem” tracks, in order to consolidate its user base as a group of “profitable targets.” Non-U.S. users are not viewed as potentially profitable, for a variety of reasons.

Tracks that were once “available” as “non-imeem” tracks were abruptly available ONLY as “imeem” tracks…within a matter of hours. This leads me to believe that ALL tracks will VERY SOON be “imeem” tracks ONLY.

Thus, non-U.S. users will have NO USE for Blip.fm.

Blip.fm is not going to thrive this way; to date, the international nature of the social network has been part of its winning formula.

With that “winning formula” now effectively TRASHED, I’m curious to see how Blip.fm plans to replace the existing social network.

I understand that Blip.fm must monetize the website, and become financially viable (and profitable). However, there is certainly some risk to their new business model in their alienation of non-U.S. users…

The appeal of Blip.fm - to both U.S. and non-U.S. users - is in its international nature. Why? Because “music discovery” is the name of the game. And for “discovery” to occur, the social network needs to be international/global.

I’m so sorry to see the potential ruination of Blip.fm in its thrust toward profitability. It was unique among ALL music-sharing websites…by a long shot. Highly unique. Now? I don’t know what will distinguish it from all the others.

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Quote from Pyrrho: “I’ve already noticed a host of tracks that were once available, but are now only on imeem. If that’s the way things are going - then imeem are just after the US (+Canada?) user-base of blip.fm.”

Nathyvianna  on May 14th, 2009

Imeem suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuux!

The_Kraken  on May 14th, 2009

Guys,

It’d be really helpful to everyone affected by this contentious issue if you’d tell us all what the issues are and how you’re working to resolve them.
We’re all guessing it has something to do with international radio play rights, but we haven’t heard it from the horses mouth.

I know there are plenty of blippers out here who could suggest alternatives - but without knowing the issues, we can’t even do that.

Chris (The_Kraken)

avivamagnolia  on May 14th, 2009

Does anyone know why “blip.up” tracks are suddenly “unavailable?

trentfox  on May 14th, 2009

I just want to blip this song, but I can’t find it on blip.fm.

Here is the imeem link:

http://www.imeem.com/people/koGfNn/music/ParMu6s8/slowdive-richard/

Why can’t blip.fm recognize the “ID tags”?

avivamagnolia  on May 14th, 2009

Hey there, folks! Sorry to burden you with yet another lengthy post. But… I have to come clean about something I said!

I would like to clarify previous statements I made regarding Blip.fm’s plans and actions vis a vis converting “non-imeem” tracks to “imeem” tracks:

My sense that non-imeem tracks are being converted to imeem tracks is an impression, and not a fact. I have no verifiable proof that any non-imeem tracks are actually being converted to imeem tracks.

I have observed (casually, not scientifically) that tracks previously playable as full-length tracks for all non-U.S. folks were systematically being switched over to imeem (30-second) tracks.

I based this impression on several types of incidents: (1) Searching for a track I’d posted earlier that did NOT appear in the imeem player, and finding it was NOW only available as an “imeem” track; and (2) reblipping a non-imeem track multiple times and finding that on the 3rd reblip, it was suddenly available ONLY through the imeem player.

However, I didn’t document either of these situations. They are simply my impressions during fast-paced blipping sessions. They may not be true at all.

GR8FL has challenged me, and “anyone” else, to demonstrate that Blip.fm is truly converting “non-imeem” tracks over to “imeem” tracks.

I cannot demonstrate such a thing. I took GR8FL up on her challenge to do some spot-testing, but was unable to reproduce my earlier observations during testing of three (3)of GR8FL’s “non-imeem” blips.

While GR8FL contends that her position is “fact,” and that Blip.fm is absolutely NOT converting “non-imeem” tracks to “imeem” tracks, I’m not exactly sure what GR8FL bases this contention of fact upon; she hasn’t offered any detail (yet).

However, I’m willing to take GR8FL’s word for it at this point, as she says she’s been receiving information from Jeff Yasusada and others at Blip.fm that leads her to believe that Blip.fm is NOT systematically converting all tracks over to imeem.

So…unless I see evidence to the contrary, I’ll accept GR8FL’s opinion on the matter as provisional “truth.” Why? I’d rather not think bad thoughts, or ascribe motivations without evidence, if I don’t have to!

Until I hear actual facts from Jeff Yasusada and other top Blip.fm staffers regarding the new services and features that they are offering to Blip.fm users worldwide, I’ll express my impressions more carefully as “opinion,” and not “fact.”

Meanwhile, Jeff Yasusada has posted several blips in which he has promised to (very soon) present new information to Blip.fm users. I reblipped Jeff, thanking him for taking that step, and encouraging him to do so as quickly as possible.

I expressed my opinion to Jeff in my reblips that all the ambiguity, all the silence, coming from Blip.fm leadership, was probably hurting Blip.fm (corporate) as much as it was hurting some Blip.fm users.

I suggested to him that “bad news” was better than “no news,” at least as far as I was concerned. I think most folks would rather know what “the deal” is, and stop all the speculating.

The boycott, I believe, is a direct result of Blip.fm leadership’s failure to communicate to its users in a direct, clear manner. I believe it could have been avoided… and may still be avoided… with an official statement of fact from Jeff and/or other in leadership at Blip.fm.

I am personally grateful BEYOND WORDS for the joy that Blip.fm has brought into my life since March 1st, 2009. It is like NO OTHER music-sharing/music-discovery website.

Because the sharing is in “realtime,” and is so immediate and visceral, it brings back everything that was great (for me) about music-sharing in the 1960s.

It was the intense immediacy and viral sharing (perhaps brought about by the Vietnam war and the civil rights movement) that made the music of the 1960s an integral part of my generation’s culture.

Blip.fm approaches that awesome greatness…or has done so until now. I fear the erosion of the social network with the restrictions that obviously have to be placed on non-U.S. users for financial reasons.

However, I believe that the users who stick to Blip.fm, despite these unfortunate circumstances, can still keep much of the social community together, and maintain at least some of the dynamic musical joy and passion that Blip.fm has thus far given us.

I, for one, have discovered more new music here on Blip.fm since March 1st than I discovered in 2 years of Last.fm and Pandora. And I’ve had lots more fun doing it!

Like GR8FL, I would prefer to be constructive and positive about the new turn of events at Blip.fm. I’m trying, to the best of my ability, to view things in the most positive light. I’m trying to be proactive, and use sensible “workarounds” to the limitations that now exist.

Like GR8FL, I’m encouraging others (citing GR8FL’s wise suggestions) to do the same…especially non-U.S. users who are currently very angry and/or frustrated, but haven’t done all that they can to make adaptations that are within their control. (For more detail, see GR8FL’s blog posts).

If only Blip.fm leadership would step out of the shadows, and support its users in keeping “cool” about things, by offering some much-needed information…

I await Jeff’s promised messages, and meanwhile, will be careful not to spread unsubstantiated rumours.

cripplesmith  on May 20th, 2009

Ahhh, imeem. Blip has been fabulous. I’d even put up with advertising! But imeem? As a European user, I thought maybe I’d sign up for imeem to see if that gave me blip rights, and so solve the problem. But…now I have an account, imeem hasn’t sent the verification e-mail (after 3 days and over a dozen requests), so the account will expire in ten days…and even so, I can only access 30-second clips on the imeem website. So don’t bother trying that one. What a “USA-first/last/only” view of the world! So, what I do is search with “-imeem” as part of the search string, which return only non-imeem tracks. It works.

cripplesmith  on May 20th, 2009

Oh - and I mean to finish with “@pissed off” needs to go back to the textbooks to read up on successful web models. We’re all freeloaders on google or of firefox for example, and blip could be, should be as big. But not by offering a second rate service to all but US users. The basic problem is that imeem offer a second rate service to users outside the US, and blip have allied themselves with that and suffered as a result. I love what blip has done, but time is running out.

crispassinato  on May 22nd, 2009

Could it desagree 4ever to me!
I hated it, :/
Bug and broken Blips!
Sorry, that´s my opinion!
@crispassinato

jlc im 30 and have no life at my moms  on June 3rd, 2009

im 30 and have no life geez

tonique  on July 22nd, 2009

Imeem is giving me only 30-second clips. I’m in Finland. As a result I blocked the imeem player, and skip over songs that don’t start playing.

DJDeth  on July 30th, 2009

How can turn imeem off?! These 30 second clips suck!

steve wright  on September 11th, 2009

how do i transfer/blog/embed/import my playlist from imeem??
thanks, and will i be able to obtain longer play versions through blip fm??
cheers, new to this from tweet tweet twitter..

x

ABrient  on December 9th, 2009

If Blip’s service was streaming music from Imeem, then what’s to happen now that Imeem no longer exists after being bought by MySpace?

@briangreene  on December 12th, 2009

looks like its gone.

marketing  on January 1st, 2010

i dont think this is good news for us at all, this whole myspace/imeem relationship is just bad news for imeem users :(

KIngsofdaberatz  on January 6th, 2010

sorry guys, imeem bad or not, but you lost content, even I am an international user … did found complete tracks through imeem. the only thing you should have done -marking the 30s tracks from imeem, but that was maybe awkward or too expensive (extra staff member) for the blip team, cheers!

aneldecaveira  on March 9th, 2010

Amen to that! Imeem SUCKS!

Mosey  on April 29th, 2010

I have a question. Now that MySpace has the iMeem playlist, what has happened to the iMeem blogs? What about friends you had on iMeem, or PMs? It seems like all MySpace integrated was the playlist feature. Did they just trash the blogs? Is all of that information completely gone?

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auction  on March 17th, 2011

nice post…great sharing….happy friendships…

EmilyS  on May 25th, 2011

I just want the real one back. No all different. They’re going to block imeem anyway on myspace DX

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