Grooveshark Integration Arrives

UPDATE: Site is back up. Also forgot to mention that the -video search flag is also working again.

Hey Everybody,

First off, we’d like to thank everyone for their patience. We know this transition hasn’t been handled well and that getting Grooveshark tracks integrated took longer than we and you would have liked. That said, there are now nearly 1MM pristine MP3 tracks available via our search in partnership with Grooveshark’s api. Again, we know this is in no way a replacement for the tracks that are now unavailable, but we hope that it will at least serve as an initial attempt to improve the content quality while adhering to our licensing arrangement. Here is a small sample of some of the artists that are now available for blipping and streaming:

Bright Eyes
Radiohead
Daft Punk
Blur
Beastie Boys
The Dandy Warhols
Depeche Mode
Milton Nascimento
Talking Heads
David Guetta
Gomez
Arcade Fire
Grizzly Bear
She & Him
Lily Allen
Katy Perry
David Bowie
Kate Bush
Dr. John
Coldplay
Interpol
Ice Cube
Gorillaz
LCD Soundsystem
Kylie Minogue
Bob Mould
Diana Ross
The Sex Pistols
Sparklehorse
KT Tunstall
Robbie Williams

We’ll be monitoring usage this week and working with grooveshark to ensure that their api can handle normal usage from our site. It’s possible that there may be some rate limit issues, e.g. unavailable tracks at times, while we work through this. Also of note is that due to some technical limitations, all of the tracks we’re licensed to play don’t actually have a corresponding mp3 to play. If this sounds a little weird, don’t worry, it is :-) Essentially there’s always discrepancies between the list of licensed tracks that are provided to us and grooveshark and the playable tracks themselves. In light of this, we’ve made our search smart so if a track is unavailable and there actually isn’t a corresponding file on grooveshark for the result, then it will no longer be shown. This means as time goes on you’ll see less and less unavailable tracks.

Finally, this is just the first step. We’re continuing to investigate options to bring back added content where possible. We also remain focused on ultimately providing a new offering that improves and expands upon the Blip.fm experience. Please let us know if you come across any issues with the new grooveshark tracks and email us via support@blilp.fm. As always, we appreciate your support and understanding.

– The Blip.fm Crew

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187 Comments

Dawnrazor  on September 5th, 2011

“Also of note is that due to some technical limitations, all of the tracks we’re licensed to play don’t actually have a corresponding mp3 to play.”

So basically your licensed to play songs we can’t play in many cases, and the solution is to remove them from the search rather than make the song available…

I’ll be curious to see how this plays out when the site comes back up

@mark_till  on September 5th, 2011

Lending ironic meaning to the holiday “Labor Day”
:-)

Yan  on September 5th, 2011

@Dawnrazor Unfortunately there’s not much we can do to make them available if we can’t find a match in grooveshark’s search results.

@The101HiWay  on September 5th, 2011

Well, I couldn’t sleep and it’s 2AM [MST]. Thought I’d check out the progress on the update and have become even more curious wirh the above announcement. I do hope this is a very, very, short list as many of the artists I’ve never heard of or, find the talent`less likely to play.

That said, I will be sorely disappointed if access to the more mainstream classics of the 60’s fails to make the list on this go around. I’m rather certain I speak for many when I mention it, as most no matter the demographic, enjoy the mid 50’s / early 70’s era, as it was the very root of the rock-n-roll evolution. In fact, most of the younger set prefer the classics. Although, I’m sure some would like to debate the subject. Let’s not, even though this is a blog ~ or, your free to discuss it amongst yourselves of course.

I had signed-up on both, grooveshark and LastFM, about the same time as I had Blip. I haven’t even logged in to either one in well over a year. Why, you may ask? Pretty simple… I enjoyed Blip’s page layout and general format for music preview and play. It’s a simple preference thing. I’m sure many enjoy the others in their own way too.

So, it is a ‘we shall see’ what we have kinda deal as it stands. We’re all hoping for the best ~ but rather certain some will be disappointed. I’d like not to be in that group… we shall see I guess…

Dawnrazor  on September 5th, 2011

Testing it now, punching in random bands from my playlist and seeing what I find… Nice the have MP3s of Athlete back… But still zero results for Lonesome Kings and no joy for Exit Zero by Razor Skyline….

Dawnrazor  on September 5th, 2011

I’ve had a couple of tracks play once or twice then become “unavailable” for example My Ex by the Sex Execs, (classic Boston rock). What’s up with that?

Qrobur  on September 5th, 2011

I shall try a selection of stuff I might like to play and report back later on the results. I won’t try anything really obscure; probably everything will be the kind of thing to make it onto Blalock’s or equivalent rap and electronica monthly playlists.

Qrobur  on September 5th, 2011

I’ll try a reasonable selection of newer music tonight; not the the wholly mainstream artists given above but not wholly obscure either - the kind that would make it onto Blalock’s playlist or the equivalents for rap and electronica.

I’ll report the results then.

StreamingMimi  on September 5th, 2011

So far, no good!

Dawnrazor  on September 5th, 2011

I’ve tossed everything from Xymox to Andy Stewart at the new selection with very mixed results. Quite often it looks good at first till everything turns out to be unavailable…

JustJac  on September 5th, 2011

My first quick opinion -

Whilst I don’t think the Grooveshark additions are numerous or varied enough (yet) the tracks available do make a difference. Especially when listening to another DJs stream and being able to reblip the tracks. (But then I remember Imeem and the pointlessness of using blip.fm if you lived outside the USA.)

Being someone that is only on blip.fm sporadically now and a user of we7, hype machine, last.fm, spotify and cds/vinyl/mp3s - for me this is a workable though not ideal solution.

I can mix offerings from YouTube and Grooveshark in my stream, listen to other DJs streams, reblip and reply and give props. If it’s not working for me I can get my music fix somewhere else and then come back.

Not sure what the “DJ Every Day” users are going to make of it though, but have the feeling that expectations are not going to be fulfilled, just yet anyway … with improvements to come, maybe it’ll work out.

Jacqui

Diplopito  on September 5th, 2011

I’ve just made my first Grooveshark sourced blips. Yan, is it possible to browse the Grooveshark catalogue imported to Blip.fm? This will not only be handy but a great source of inspiration for us Blipsters.

About the back added content: is there any news about the Dropbox legal ruling and our capability to add pointers to the files stored in our dropboxes? Also, will it be possible to link tunes from Grooveshark using their urls?

Again, thanks a lot for the great efforts that you are making to solve this situation for us, much appreciated.

Qrobur  on September 5th, 2011

Okay, for me the addition of the Grooveshark tracks simply isn’t good enough. I’ve just run through 10 tracks from Blalock’s IRPs, so nothing particularly obscure. Three out of the ten returned no search results at all, which isn’t acceptable to me. Seven did, but of those seven only one was correctly tagged. That’s no good for last.fm scrobbling. There’s no need to go further so far as I’m concerned — the site remains ruined.

So for me, blip.fm has to find a way for DJs to stream tracks of known quality with the correct tagging (incidentally, I utilised Tonido to stream directly from my machine rather than having to endure the hassle and cost of uploading into Dropbox — is that a solution?).

I would have thought the kind of DJs that made this site distinctive (i.e. not those content to chat over poor quality YT videos — I’m not having a go at this kind of user, all have their place here of course) would more or less share my view of today’s blip.

Well, let’s hope the “new offering”, should it ever come to fruition, is a lot better.

@SabineWe  on September 5th, 2011

Hello everyone,
My last comment under the previous post is still “awaiting moderation”. I take off French and I make this one shorter, hoping you’ll publish it.
Since that famous black day - August 27 - and the removed possibility to upload mp3s, I measure as the opportunity to share new music and listen to and discuss about it was wonderful, just like to taste a wine blind and talk about it with several friends to increase its savor.

On the Blip-stats http://ur1.ca/45sia I read that we were last week only 153 French among 12,132 Djs stations (4,983 from USA). Our unique way to share unusual music we like - that will never be classified in your “popular songs” section on stats - was to upload them from our dropbox (and we paid for that). I think the music industry and your business partners are making a mistake: I bought more CDs and music over the last two years than in the past fifteen met, because of new tunes exposed by the u/ls from wonderful djs. I thank them sincerely.
The pleasure of their surprises and new music took off :(… and with them, my new desires for music-purchases.
Want to thank Yan and the ambassadors for their recent efforts to communicate with us (we needed that) and the Blip-team for for so many joys during the nice shared musical time those two years. On Grooveshark, we reconstructed a core djs. The mp3s are great but we lack the richness of the exchanges offered by the Blip-160 characters.
Needing to keep ties with the great community of blippers I keep blipping, but joy has gone, feeling like amputated of my missing u/ls. Also sad to have a dropbox full of beauties and not be able to share it with another than me.
The sadness will probably fade with time…

I explored today the new mp3-contents of Blip.fm, but as I expected it, most of the French variety (excluding rock and pop), music from the French Renaissance (14C-16C), jazz experimental, Nordic jazz or oriental music… are not properly represented.
The best thing would be - as suggested @Diplopito - to be allowed to link tunes from Grooveshark on Blip, using their urls. Hope it will be possible in the future.
Thank you Yan, Jeff and others for your hard work for us those days.
Greetings. @SabineWe

CD  on September 5th, 2011

My last comment to the previous post has been awaiting moderation since last friday or whatever it was. I understand that you guys are busy but I won’t waste time writing anything more here.

GR8FL  on September 5th, 2011

agree with you @SabineWe. Much of what I would like to blip is already distributed freely without license issues (was just looking for Zoe Keating). And it’s not just French or jazz that has holes, but most world music. No Ludovico Einaudi, Ballaké Sissoko & Vincent Ségal, Gustavo Santaolalla, Jonsi, Louka Kanza, Roswell Rudd & Toumani Diabaté, Ali Farka Touré, etc). I am still hopeful this is only temporary and we will soon listen to Leonard Cohen, Bela Fleck, Annie Lennox, Philip Glass, Thievery Corporation, Lhasa De Sela, etc soon.

GR8FL  on September 5th, 2011

@CD - the blog software has some kind of spam blocker that makes no sense, but it flags some posts here. I had my message blocked (waiting for moderation), but not because blip team was blocking it. Suggest to try it again in another way. Maybe it doesn’t like your links (if you put any)… that’s what was the problem in my case.

CD  on September 5th, 2011

@GR8FL: It doesn’t matter. It was just a slightly off topic reply to @Daretoeatapeach about hotlinking that didn’t really belong here anyway.

Raquelrita  on September 5th, 2011

Hi everyone…
As per @sabinewe comment, if that blip-stats is right, here in Brazil we would be 1035 djs signed, how many active don’t know. Second on the rank, look it that:)
I am quite surprised indeed as always when in search for a good quality Brazilian song I find myself wanting to bite my nails and almost promising all kinds of stuff to the celestial gang up there, if I do.
In fact I blip very few of them because of this painful moment.
And today I went to check on this new situation but my little radio got lost and didn’t feel any improvement sorry to say.
And yes @gr8fl, agree with you, I find huge holes on most ‘world music’. Many many countries.
Thank you, Raquel

plotek  on September 5th, 2011

As expected, this new monster as respects with the industry assumptions about private ownership is for me no more blip.fm. Neither allows me to continue blipping the kind of music that interests me, although it is licensed freely. So I just leave this social network.

I had a really good time here and I greatly appreciate the work you have done to create a tool that WAS really great. Unfortunately, as in other areas of our lives, the greed of a few continues to impoverish our reality. One day we must say: ENOUGH!

Regards

@mark_till  on September 5th, 2011

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jong  on September 6th, 2011

Three words. Meh.

Chekkov  on September 6th, 2011

Mhh, I just searched some Artist on GrooveShark with results and on Blip.fm without results.

F.e:
- Moderat
- Modeselektor

Others f.e. Apparat were found in both.

Maybe, I don’t understand the technique behind…

Cheers

Chekkov  on September 6th, 2011

After reading the post again, I’ve found the answer by my self: It’s only a Subset of titels from grooveshark that are available on blip …

hajoni  on September 7th, 2011

@Yan

Regards the integration of mp3, a simple question:

Is this the end of what we can expect?

Up to now it’s just ~1-2% of the whole content of Grooveshark.
Just make your cross

Yes [ ]
No [ ]

————————————————–
If your answer is “No”, can you tell us more about the quantity and names of musicians?
————————————————–
Would it be possible to make a wish-list?

Regards

@avivajazz  on September 7th, 2011

I appreciate your comments, SabineWe and GR8FL. Like both of you, I see many severe, serious, gaping holes in the Grooveshark inventory that is available on Blip. Jazz is almost nonexistent. Since jazz is my first love, and multikulti/world music my close second love, and almost nothing in these genres has been integrated into Blip from Grooveshark, my joy in sharing music on Blip.fm is gone too. Mostly, my joy is gone because my favorite DJs are leaving, or barely present, and when they come to visit Blip.fm, it is with sadness or disappointment.

This is a very depressing environment to share music in now. Very, very depressing. Even the bad old “imeem” days weren’t this bad.

And I won’t even mention the sheer waste of my time and energy when I click on 20, 30, or more “dead Grooveshark” song titles.

Like SabineWe, I am sad.

@avivajazz  on September 7th, 2011

Thank you for your concise question, @hajoni. It is my question, too.

aquamarines  on September 7th, 2011

Agree wholeheartedly with @SabineWe @hajoni @GR8FL @hajoni @avivajazz and others…. Blip.FM is broken. Not just technically, but socially, internationally, musically… all the reasons that made Blip.FM such a magical place. It’s all GONE.

No more interesting, new, obscure, international, Japanese, Brazilian, Russian, Icelandic, Finnish, Scandinavian, French, ethnic, world fusion, vintage, jazz, fusion, surf, psych-folk, ambient, cinematic, soundscape, soundtracks, classical… almost any genre really except for pop/rock… the artists listed in the Blip.FM team post can be found ANYWHERE. All I have to do is flip on the radio and tune in to any commercial, Top 40 rock or ‘alternative’ station.

No more relatively unknown artists. No more sharing across international borders. No more learning. No more inspiration. No more reason to look for new music to buy. No more reason to socialize and discuss music. No more friendships through music. I can’t even play music from my OWN BAND anymore….

Sad? Depressing? You bet. And for what? Blip.FM absolutely destroyed any reason to be a DJ and listener here.

Like most DJs, I want to be able to play any song I want and share it… like sitting around in my livingroom when I was a kid and play records for my friends. Not violating anyone’s intellectual property rights… it’s free publicity for these artists who beg to be heard, shared, and yes, purchased. I cannot count the huge number of tracks and CDs I have purchased as result of hearing such great music on Blip.FM in the past. And I know other DJs have also.

Like @hajoni asks, is this THE END OF WHAT WE CAN EXPECT?

Again, I am both a published composer and musician.. and a publisher too. None of this new Blip.FM direction makes any sense at all… for Blip.FM, its listeners, the advertisers, the DJs, or the music industry on any side.

Blip.FM had a great thing (past tense)… not perfect by any means, but great nonetheless… and made great PRIMARILY by some amazing leading DJs… thought leaders that drove any success Blip.FM could ever hope to have.

avivajazz  on September 7th, 2011

You said it all, @aquamarines.

And yes… thought leaders were the core of what made Blip.fm work. They have no reason to “lead”on Blip.fm anymore…there are no tools with which to do so.

And the financial repercussions for this site? for the artists? the advertisers?

How can they be anything but destructive, when the most passionate music lovers (and buyers, and promoters) are leaving Blip.fm…and rightfully so?

plotek  on September 7th, 2011

And I must add that the most humiliating of all this is the total absence of detailed explanations to users (in fact the real providers of the social network) on these deep political decisions by the management team.

What is the precise reason for this change? Based on what specific legal premises, where external concrete requirements? None of these questions have been clarified from the beginning, this makes it clear that they are interests outside of the users that have forced the destruction of this space.

As co-creators of it, I think we have the right to a real explanation. Don’t you believe?

avivajazz  on September 7th, 2011

I do not believe, @plotek, that Blip.fm management considers us “co-creators.” Not at all.

They “own” the site. The users are “revenue producers.”

That is why they cannot reveal confidential business information to the “consumers” (revenue producers).

We are consumers, not co-creators, in the eyes of Blip.fm management.

That is my understanding, and my belief.

plotek  on September 7th, 2011

Yes, unfortunately it seems @avivajazz. Now, I foresee little future for these “owners” if your idea is that they can survive insulting the intelligence of their “consumers”.

avivajazz  on September 7th, 2011

I don’t think the intention is to insult the “consumers.” I think the intention is to make a profit. And apparently, Blip.fm management believes that its best profit-making business model involves prioritizing their Grooveshark license over their user-contributed content.

I have no idea if Blip.fm management is correct in believing that the Grooveshark license will be more profitable to them than the prior model of allowing user content in the form of hotlinks.

I personally believe that Blip.fm will not find the Grooveshark license to be financially positive in the long run.

The highly-limited subsection of songs that they Blip has licensed is of exceptionally, almost unbelievably poor quality.

Even mainstream pop, rock, and jazz … the most basic and central artists … are missing from the Grooveshark titles that Blip has integrated into its database.

Not only that, the listings that DO exist are dead, for the most part.

I have repeatedly found myself clicking on 10-30 dead links, on average, for mainstream jazz, only to find that all the Grooveshark links are DEADER than a DOORNAIL! Dead. Dead. Dead. And a total waste of my time.

I no longer look for “non-video” titles. I just blip the best-quality YouTubes I can find…because YouTube, at least, has obscure, innovative, and interesting content.

The titles that Blip.fm has licensed from Grooveshark are so limited (and erratic, without logic … and consisting largely of dead links) as to be of little use, even for mainstream artists in mainstream genres.

How Blip.fm management has decided that the Grooveshark license will be profitable for them is BEYOND me.

But, @plotek, this is what I’m really trying to say: Blip.fm management is not insulting us, nor do they intend to insult us. They are simply doing what all business executives do: looking out for their bottom line.

Or, as one user speculated, perhaps they are in bankruptcy court already, and the judge told them to “get a goddamned license already!”

Who knows?

It’s beats me. I DO NOT comprehend Blip’s decision … not even from a strictly business standpoint.

But don’t take what they’re doing personally. It’s not “personal” for the Blip.fm team. It’s business.

avivajazz  on September 7th, 2011

@plotek, the above-posted comments were for you. I forgot to address you properly by putting your name in front of my comments.

hajoni  on September 7th, 2011

@avivajazz @plotek “Co-creators…”
Just Imagine… an open-source-social-radio, there are already FireFox, OpenOffice and, and, and…
So why not?
Just imagine…

plotek  on September 7th, 2011

When communication becomes one-way can only speculate, right, but from my point of view business become personal in so far as material used as people interactions.

I understand that it is a company and its main objective is profit, but I insist that the treatment to their ‘clients’ or ‘consumers’ has been really poor.

If a company does not respect the “human side” implicit in the business (starting with communication) it is logical to not participate in it.

On the other hand this is the lesson of the risks involved made ​​dependent on our internet services by third parties business oriented. It is time for users to start thinking about the need to generate decentralized tools that solve their needs without the reductionist pressure of a markets in “fee fall”.

plotek  on September 7th, 2011

@avivajazz Yes, idem for my last comment, forgive forget. By the way: “fee fall = free fall” :)

@hajoni YES, this is the idea and the challenge!

Qrobur  on September 7th, 2011

I’ve been critical of the way the difficulty regarding licensing and the subsequent tardy appearance of the Grooveshark tracks has been communicated to us.

I also agree that blip now is a far less interesting place than it was because much of the music the more adventurous DJs want to play isn’t available. I feel it is those adventurous DJs that made this site distinctive and attractive. It is those DJs who will abandon the site and reduce it to “text chatter with a soundtrack”, IMO.

However, blip is not alone in facing a problem with licensing. [b]Jeff[/b] and his team have stated they will not discuss the issue, which is frustrating, but it appears to be similar to the situation at last.fm some months back. Last.fm also introduced serious restrictions on what would play that prevented listeners from properly investigating artists and music.

I don’t believe [b]Jeff[/b] and co. meant to insult us. I believe they’ve been crushed by what was probably a requirement or demand to pay greatly increased sums of money for each track we users were playing, which is probably what crippled last.fm too.

Michael Gregoire  on September 7th, 2011

Goodbye blip.fm… hello Grooveshark.

orangekittypie  on September 7th, 2011

I appreciate you all’s effort in spite of ridiculous rulings that restrict access to music. The situation difficult - I don’t blame Blip; I blame the music industry. The Grooveshark tracks are an improvement, but please do continue to find other alternatives so we can have a wider variety of tunes. If there were any way for us to blip from Soundcloud or Bandcamp, that would be awesome!

avivajazz  on September 7th, 2011

I believe that Grooveshark should be paying Blip.fm to spin its tunes, not the other way around.

Why?

Because Blip.fm employs an unprecedented, unique, priceless, precious, and innovative concept … the “twitter” for music, the “real-time” music stream, with its incredible immediacy and social environment…

…and would draw many, many more users to Grooveshark’s offerings than Grooveshark can draw without Blip.

There could be an incredible synergy between Blip.fm and Grooveshark … but I believe there is a mutuality which neither Blip’s founders nor Grooveshark are realizing or acknowledging.

Blip.fm has as much to offer Grooveshark as Grooveshark has to offer Blip.fm … if not MORE.

Am I missing something here?

Since I’m not privy to the business strategies at Blip.fm, I can only imagine I’m missing something that would be obvious if I were Blip.fm management.

Either that, or I’m NOT missing ANYTHING…and correctly understand that Blip.fm is cutting itself short in its negotiations with Grooveshark.

avivajazz  on September 7th, 2011

@Plotek, from a philosophical point of view, I’m in total agreement with you, and my feelings are totally aligned with yours.

There was supposed to be an obvious “tongue-in-cheek” tone, a thinly-veiled and bitter sarcasm, in my reply to you about Blip.fm’s sole focus on business profits, and almost total lack of consideration for its customers (possibly to such an extent that it is cutting its own throat by ignoring users who invest heavily and contribute hugely).

But I guess the sarcasm, the mocking of such business practices, didn’t quite come through!

I don’t like a corporatocratic world in which people are sacrificed to corporate profits, a world in which everything is commodified and privatized for the sole benefit of those with capital.

So, believe me, @plotek, I’m with you.

But I don’t think that the Blip.fm team is intentionally “dissing” us. I think they’re caught up in the money game, and once you’re in that game, it’s hard to operate outside the harsh and beastly rules that govern such a game.

It’s unfortunate. But it’s real.

There must be some way we can make something for ourselves with Blip.fm, despite its serious flaws, and reap the benefits of the service while it still exists.

There must be some creative way that we can invest our time and energy into Blip.fm, for the good of the music community, and in the spirit of the music, without once again hurting ourselves by contributing too much, as many of us made the mistake of doing, until we saw our hard work, our mp3 contributions, suddenly “disappeared” without warning.

I hope so. I don’t have any ideas yet… but I’m meditating on things.

avivajazz  on September 7th, 2011

This is the ONLY Grooveshark track for JIMI HENDRIX! ► Voodoo Chile (Slight Return) ► Does it make good business sense for Blip.fm to PAY for this sh*t?

@The101HiWay  on September 7th, 2011

Searching is more laborious then ever. Disliking the ‘case-sensitive’ nature of GS. If the lower/upper case, or the dash isn’t in the right place, the search will fail. ‘Key word’ search also gives mixed signals with limited function, if any. All this, is unlike before.

Just sayin’…

StreamingMimi  on September 7th, 2011

Just sick of seeing a line through most songs I try to play! Plus, should have had other options in place BEFORE taking away our uploads!

CamelWalk  on September 7th, 2011

*sigh*

Jeff  on September 7th, 2011

Thanks everyone for their comments. I know you are all upset and we are doing the best we can. One question that many of you have asked is, “What’s next?” Is there more content that we can expect?

We are still working on additional possibilities to add more content, but it may take us some time. Part of the reason that many of the songs are appearing as “unavailable” are the rate limits that Yan discussed in this post. We are working with Grooveshark to lift these limits for us.

Please keep in mind that we do not have a full time staff working here, but we are keeping track of your comments and suggestions. We will be checking the blog post periodically and do our best to address your questions.

Best,

J

Eri_Z  on September 7th, 2011

Hey,
Thanks for all your hard work on this…Grooveshark, last.fm all okay, but Blip is the best for conversation and getting to know fellow music lovers in a more real time.

Beginning to upload to Grooveshark and wondering if that will feed Blip?

American_Writer  on September 7th, 2011

We need OPEN RADIO free from corporate interference and control. People have the right to share and exchange ideas and information, in any format, music included. The ability to share should not be controlled by any business or corporation. It should be up to the individual who created the art as to how he/she wants to share it. Many of the songs I want to play were given to me directly by the artists themselves and I was given permission to share with everyone. Yet, I can’t do that on Blip or really anywhere for that matter. What is the solution? Must keep working at it.

@avivajazz  on September 8th, 2011

Mr. Jeffrey G. Yasuda is [was] founder and Chief Executive Officer of Fuzz Artists, Inc. [of which Blip.fm is a spin-off]. Mr. Yasuda served as Chief Executive Officer and Chief Financial Officer of Redwood Venture Partners. Mr. Yasuda worked in Investment Banking at Lehman Brothers for several years, focusing on technology financings within Equity Capital Markets, where he was involved in numerous initial public and follow-on offerings for software, hardware, computer services, semiconductor, semiconductor equipment, and telecommunications equipment companies. Before Lehman Brothers, he worked at Arthur Andersen, focusing on strategic consulting, mergers and acquisitions, and financial valuation within the Corporate Finance Group. He serves as Director of Redwood Venture Partners and iScale, Inc. Mr. Yasuda served as Member of Advisory Board of Everypath Inc. He is a Certified Public Accountant and a Member of the New York State Society of Certified Public Accountants. He Graduated with a BA in History from Dartmouth College and received MBA from New York University Stern School of Business in Accounting and Finance.

@avivajazz  on September 8th, 2011

Blip.fm Owner: Jeff Yasuda

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@avivajazz  on September 8th, 2011

If you’d like to get to know Jeff, the CEO and Founder of Blip.fm, you can start with this profile:

http://bit.ly/JeffYasuda_CEO_Founder_Blipfm

nofrills  on September 8th, 2011

Dear blip.fm

Could you at leaset re-activate archive.org mp3 hotlinks please? Archive.org only hosts public-domain or creative-commons licensed songs, so there’s no rights restrictions for you to have the URL activated.

I don’t want Coldplay or Sex Pistols, I just want my favourite independent, CCL artists back on my blip radio. I want to blip every song off this amazing EP for example:
http://www.archive.org/details/miniatura035Humeka-TemperateClimateEp

@avivajazz  on September 8th, 2011

For some of the history of Blip.fm’s parent company, which went out of business during or before January 2009:

http://bit.ly/Fuzz_Blipfm_ParentCompany

avivajazz  on September 8th, 2011

Great idea, @nofrills !

QUOTE [clip]:

“nofrills on September 8th, 2011

Dear blip.fm

Could you re-activate archive.org mp3 hotlinks please?

Archive.org only hosts public-domain or creative-commons licensed songs, so there’s no rights restrictions for you to have the URL activated.

I don’t want Coldplay or Sex Pistols, I just want my favourite independent, CCL artists back on my blip radio.”

@avivajazz  on September 8th, 2011

Eri_Z, your uploads to Grooveshark will not be “hotlink-able” to Blip.

The only way you can share your Grooveshark uploads is to paste the link to your GS tune/playlist. People will have to hear your tune on your Grooveshark page.

StreamingMimi  on September 8th, 2011

@Jeff, PLEASE JUST GIVE US OUR UPLOADS BACK, then you will get NO COMPLAINTS about what else you are trying to put into place!

GR8FL  on September 8th, 2011

Rather than blaming Jeff and blip.fm, suggest you vent your anger and frustration at the recording industry and their short-sighted stupidity. Their inability to grasp the largest technological shift to the Internet, is one of the most illogical and narrow-minded blunders ever made. And it’s not only limited to music, but goes to the whole entertainment industry that is doing their best to cripple anyone who gets in their perceived way of making money.

The sad part is they are making money, but don’t understand that because they don’t grasp the business model in this digital environment. I suppose if you can’t hold it or touch it, that if it is a virtual copy, that they feel somehow cheated. So instead, they act like bullies, determined to squish anyone who dares to make available some digital content.

Remember Jack Valenti? He was the head of the MPAA who testified back in 1982 on the evils of the VCR which he claimed would ruin the movie industry. This of course turned out to be untrue as the VCR, followed by the DVD, has brought billions and billions in revenue to the movie industry.

More stupid history lessons include the RIAA who is just as inane. They fought against old-fashioned home analog taping from vinyl recordings, followed by being against digital audio tapes (DAT), then against CD burners, and against MP3 players.

Basically every new technology that allows users to enjoy their music, movies, or television has been met by the screaming fits by the RIAA or MPAA. Yet all these things have resulted in billions of dollars in profit.

So back to blip.fm. As we know, many DJs have uploaded, and streamed content on their own dime and time, and have provided links music that otherwise may have not be available to sample elsewhere (the conventional radio stations don’t broadcast much of this music), which in effect has served to ‘market’ music for free for the recording industry. As many of us know first-hand, we have discovered plenty of new music this way and in turn, spent large amounts of money on CDs, downloads, shows, merchandise, etc. It makes little sense why this industry refuses to see how this benefits them. But instead of being grateful, they bury their head in the sand and refuse to understand how we promote their artists at no cost to them at all.

StreamingMimi  on September 8th, 2011

I agree with everything you are saying, except that my beef with Blip.fm is that one day I was able to play my, as well as other DJs uploads, and the next day I was not. There was no forewarning that it would happen, and I know they knew ahead of time, but just basically pulled the plug on all of our time-consuming work. If that is not a reason to be upset, then I am sorry, but it is just the way I feel.

DJRosaNava  on September 8th, 2011

I fully agree with GR8FL & StreamingMimi.
What’s worse is that overprotection and excessive myopia does not allow them to understand anything about Digital Marketing. For the dissemination and access - now proven - in this particular environment is that it produces the best and fastest results!

Axefield  on September 8th, 2011

Hater’s gonna hate | Well put @GR8FL | I’ve always been under the impression that blip does way more good then harm, after all, we’ve got composed list of music of literally thousands of songs. List that could be used for so many different things, and not to mention the data that blip can produce!

Personally.. as a music enthusiast it has helped me explore and share with fellow enthusiast. That’s more then I could ever ask for.

scotlandlover  on September 8th, 2011

@avivajazz thank you for the information links to the employees

@blipfm staff…appreciate your endeavors and this site which has been such a great place to hang out for the last 2.5yrs for us

@blipfm staff @jeff …would you please either reactivate my account per my email requests OR at least tell me why you won’t via email. I know you’ve been busy and I did NOT want to take request to this blog but since my emails go unanswered I am unaware of my pending status.

Thank you @ll for making blip such a great place to share music with people from everywhere.

StreamingMimi  on September 8th, 2011

I am not trying to take away from the good the Blip.fm staff has done, but rather taking issue with the good they have ‘undone’! It used to be fun blipping songs, but now it is a struggle to find a song that does not have a line through it or say that it is ‘unavailable’. And when one does play I usually have to compromise quality. Though I try to make the best of it, there is always this underlying disappointment and sadness.

LEVS  on September 8th, 2011

First let me say that I do appreciate the good times and the fun that I was allowed to have while uploading and sharing songs that cannot be found anywhere else was possible.

Of course, I could play all the songs from my CDs, or from the mp3’s I converted them into, here at home and entertain whoever happens to be around.

But, and we all know how good it feels to be able to offer the music we value and love to a broader audience, if a significant proportion is taken away, that is like dropping us into a deep hole.

Two things I want to emphasize:

1. Removing a major and appreciated feature from the customers without prior announcement is not exactly what I would call a professional corporate approach.

2. Of all major transitions that I have ever experienced, this was managed the worst. No information in advance, nothing when it was enforced and taking a defensive attitude days after customers started to complain.

Every time I compare what I would be able to contribute and what I actually can do now, it draws the corners of my mouth south.

On a personal note, I do not see how the serenity and happiness that I enjoyed so much blipping my favorite music can be brought back with the current configuration.

In conclusion my only hope remains that the voices of our blip community do not fall on deaf ears.

plotek  on September 8th, 2011

No problem, @avivajazz, I know we both deeply agree and this pleased me :)

I like too the constructive point of view that you and others affected users propose, but I’m not sure this can be accomplished in the context of a company that has tried so inconsiderate their customers. I’m still too angry with them for not being able to appreciate the selfless work that users have done for them all this time, so I just take a long time and I will stand outside their businesses mainly because my relationship with music is not commercial but vital.

I understand too that they can only be other victims over the industry, but to accept the rules of the entertainment industry without a struggle and outside users, eventually we will all be victims, and I refuse.

evablue  on September 8th, 2011

@avivajazz - The information that you gleaned from the internets about the team is out of date. In the comments section of the previous blog post, Jeff actually says this about the team:

“[...] I operate Blip.fm out of my basement [...] We have a buddy of mine that handles support one day every 3 weeks. Yan and Ian help when they can but both have other full-time gigs. Brian and I are working on another project that we hope to introduce shortly. Joe helps me with the Sessions in his spare time. That’s the team. [...]”

To clarify the above statement further, Jeff and Brian are not developers. Yan and Ian are but are working full time elsewhere. Sessions is the live streamed band gigs on sessions.blip.fm. Joe introduces the bands with Jeff. I don’t know who the buddy is but 1 in 3 days means a lot of backlog in support tickets.

I vouch for the blip.fm team. It bothers me immensely that these guys are being harpooned. I have met Jeff, Brian, Yan and Ian. They’re stand up guys. I believe they’re doing their best in these circumstances.

@avivajazz  on September 8th, 2011

I’m sure that they’re “doing their best in these circumstances.” But… since none of the users (myself included) understand either “these circumstances” or their business strategy as it involves removing the hotlink function (especially to non-copyrighted, or creative/commons-licensed music), the speculation and misunderstanding that you see in this blog are only to be expected.

The lack of information, which I imagine exists due to confidentiality agreements, legal concerns, etc., is understandable. On the other hand, this lack of information encourages speculation. And that’s the price of running a business, with all of its strictures about telling truths to customers.

To tell customers anything useful about Blip.fm’s operations, financial viability, strategies re: licensing deals and removal of hotlink features, etc., would understandably place Blip.fm at legal and financial risk.

So… fine. As customers, we take our lumps. And as you suggest, Eva Blue, we should just be quiet about our concerns, questions, and feelings. Maybe. Maybe we should. But that would require a level of cynicism about business that I think many of Blip’s users, especially young or non-business-savvy users, probably don’t possess.

On the other hand, if Jeff is running a business, and has to maintain ultra-confidentiality to protect Blip.fm, then he has to take HIS lumps, too. “That’s business,” as the saying goes. And Jeff is treating Blip.fm as a business…and rightly so. How else to pay the bills for keeping the server running, cut himself a paycheck, etc.?

If Jeff is going to be close-mouthed for business reasons, then he should expect customers to grip when they’ve abruptly discovered one morning that their contributions (often involving weeks, even months, of hard work to procure, create and register mp3s from their hard drives to Blip’s servers) were suddenly DELETED.

DELETED without warning. DELETED without satisfactory explanation.

DELETED to be replaced with a small, disorganized, poor quality subset of Grooveshark tunes.

And…in many cases, I believe these Grooveshark tunes are user-uploaded, judging by the bad tagging and bad audio quality…and the fact that some of the Grooveshark tunes are OOP (out of print).

Bad customer service is not good for Blip.fm. I’m sorry that Jeff is having such a hard time, and has to work with such a crippled staff and crippled funding, but… bad customer service is bad customer service. And, while it’s Jeff’s right to risk alienating customers the way has done, it’s not good business.

@avivajazz  on September 8th, 2011

My comment above was primarily directed at Eva Blue, in partial response to her comments on my “link posts.”

Eva Blue, I know that the links point to “out of date” content on web pages that misleadingly represent things due to server auto-dating of these pages.

As I said, I was offering a “history” of Blip.fm, not an overview of Blip’s current state of affairs.

To anyone bothering to actually read the content of those web pages I provided links for, it’s obvious that much of the information is historical, especially the data about Fuzz Artists, Inc.

Much of the information simply provides prior work history and business ventures for Jeff Yasuda.

I thought that intelligent readers of this information could use the FACTS, rather than BAD FEELINGS (anger, resentment, frustration, and a wish to “have it their way”) to make up their own minds about why Jeff may be pursuing the Grooveshark license, and wiping out Blip’s “user hotlinks” feature.

Frankly, I still don’t really understand the Blip.fm business model. But then, it’s really none of my business. At least, it’s “none of my business” from a “typical business world” standpoint.

We are not “co-creators” of this site, as Plotek imagined. Not in ANY sense of the word.

We are customers. As such, we are supposed to be sources of revenue.

If we fail in our duties to provide revenue, we will lose Blip.fm.

It’s that simple.

And Blip.fm will lose customers if it fails to satisfy its customers.

It’s that simple.

@avivajazz  on September 8th, 2011

Eva Blue, you may know Jeff Yasuda and the other guys, giving you a personal connection and empathy to their situation.

But most users have never met Jeff. Most users haven’t even seen a photo of Jeff. They don’t know the first thing about Jeff.

And the information Jeff is providing is NOT “personal,” or particularly friendly.

So… why, Eva Blue, would you EXPECT users to have the same personal empathy and feel the same warm feelings toward Jeff and the other part-time members of the Blip.fm team that YOU do?

Jeff has not reached out in any tangible way to the Blip.fm users as a whole. The blog was silent for almost a year. He keeps a low profile.

And he owns Blip.fm, and will protect Blip.fm, even at the expense of Blip’s hapless users. As he believes he must, I think.

Jeff does very little to promote the kind of empathy, friendship, understanding, and community that you seem to believe should exist here, @Evablue.

So, that’s his choice. I’m sure he can take the consequences.

If not, and you’re his friend, I suggest that you counsel him about his choice. Perhaps the way he’s running Blip.fm is neither in his best personal or business interests.

At any rate, I still like…nay, even love the service. I intend to keep using it, since I find many YouTube videos that are of sufficient quality and variety for blipping. I enjoy Blip.fm, and I’m grateful for the service, even in its current state.

Thank you, Jeff Yasuda.

@avivajazz  on September 8th, 2011

Thank you to @GR8FL, @scotlandlover, @plotek, @LEV, @streamingmimi, and the many others who have taken time to comment on this blog. I have carefully read, and empathize a great deal, with almost ALL viewpoints expressed here — even viewpoints with which I disagree.

At any rate, I still like — nay, even LOVE — using Blip.fm.

I intend to KEEP using it, since I find many jazz, jazztronica, avant-garde, experimental electronic, classical, and rare music YouTube videos that are of sufficient quality and variety for blipping.

I enjoy Blip.fm, and I’m grateful for the service, even in its current, badly-crippled state. It’s still fun for me, although I have felt a sense of underlying sadness and/or depression (a bittersweet sense of loss) ever since Blip.fm “pulled the plug” on user hotlinks.

We still have many fine opportunities to share music on Blip.fm. By way of contrast to the opportunities we had prior to August 27, the pickings seem shabby and slim, I agree.

And it’s immensely sad for me to see some of my favorite DJs abandon the Blip.fm site.

And I’m very upset that @scotlandlover disappeared, and has had no response from Jeff Yasuda about whether or not she’ll be reinstated on Blip.fm.

Even so, I’m immensely grateful for Blip.fm. I won’t bore you all by listing the reasons, unless you ask. For providing so much pleasure over the last 2.5 years (I believe I joined in March 2009), I can only say:

THANK YOU, Jeff Yasuda.

@The101HiWay  on September 9th, 2011

Welcome to the “Digital Age” kiddies. Oh my… how we gonna cope??? So much of this is redundant already… geeezzz

Just sayin’

plotek  on September 9th, 2011

I’m afraid I disagree punctually @avivajazz I imagine that should the fact of belonging to very different geopolitical areas.

From my point of view if you take away Blip.fm their users (I want to be clear the distiction: customer/user) Blip.fm becomes nothing. So, we are a fundamental part of the matter, a element can not be underestimated as it has been. Call you co-creators co-fuel or co-ustomers as you want but it is.

While acting as a company that did not seem to be a company everything was quietly perfect, and until then had all my gratitude. But now that it has unilaterally decided to be only another more business dedicated to serving only the expectations of merchandising cultural industry for me and many others no longer worth anything.

So just: BYE!.

Hotlink or crash! ;P

Stef18  on September 9th, 2011

This one saying comes to mind….”IF it ain’t broken, don’t fix it”………….why the hell is my comment font so cmall…weird

DarrenLords  on September 9th, 2011

Im sure this isnt terribly helpful, but I tried to play at least 20 songs today and found just 2. Explain how this is feasible for me as a blip.fm user?

Even some of the YouTube conent which is supposed to work did not. There’s not much point to sitting at the laptop trying to find songs in vain when there is rarely a payoff.

Whoever runs this site doesn’t appear to have an appreciation for what blip.fm is (was). I realize there may be licensing considerations that the layman isnt aware of…but honestly, who cares? The bottom line is that the site does not work and nobody wants to play from a handful of songs. A million varied songs is nothing really considering the number of artists out there.

As it stands there’s no point in being on blip.fm.

That’s very sad.

I hope you fix things, if not, why should people stay? To play a regulated list of songs. Ain’t happening.

prescottscott  on September 10th, 2011

Hey folks, What a run we had! Now it is not the same on blip.fm, remember Napster? Well, I spent $100 on a big dropbox too. Was going to continue it in a perpetual trust for you all, no need to do that now!

I ride my Suzuki SV-650 down the freeway 80-90 mph knowing full well I am breaking the law, so I consider it a privilege. Now the big boots have stomped out all the best music content on blip.fm, well, it was a privilege, not our right.

‘Tis a shame, isn’t it? Life goes on, chin up, keep smiling and make the best of it, I say.

See you on grooveshark, Google +, and 8tracks…with some blip.fm for social. :)) Scott

avivajazz  on September 10th, 2011

Hi, Scott. Great post!

May I hop on the back of your bike for a ride? I like your driving style… ;-)

And yes, I purchased a $100 Dropbox too… which I’ll keep for uploading to Grooveshark, 8tracks, and Turntable.fm

Thanks for your comments about the “privilege” of Blip.fm, too. It certainly has been a gift, and it still is a gift, despite it’s recent “crippling.”

avivajazz  on September 10th, 2011

@plotek, We are not at all in disagreement. Maybe it’s a language thing, or my bad writing… but I agree with you on all but one of your points, including:

1. Blip.fm, by ignoring its customers/users, is cutting its own throat … because

(a) the customers/users are co-creators of this site, whether Blip.fm wants to acknowledge this truth or not; and

(b) Blip.fm will lose many customers/users if it continues to conduct its business unprofessionally (i.e., by offering terrible customer service / customer relations, primarily).

2. Blip.fm, by conducting itself as a “business dedicated to serving only the expectations of merchandising cultural industry” (quoting you, @plotek), it has crippled the very wondrous service that it once was.

@plotek Where we disagree is on the following point:

You say “no longer worth anything./b>

To many of us, myself included, Blip.fm is still worth something.

It provides access to a few, scattered Grooveshark .mp3s, and it provides access to many good YouTube videos. But more than anything, Blip.fm is a worthy social community — even now, after its owner has crippled, rather than enhanced, its service.

Thank you for your reply, @plotek :-) Hugs, in the spirit of music, always.

avivajazz  on September 10th, 2011

@plotek, thanks for your reply!

However,we are not in disagreement. Maybe it’s a language thing, or my bad writing… but I agree with you on most of your points, including:

1. Blip.fm, by ignoring its customers/users, cuts its own throat … because

(a) the customers/users ARE co-creators of this site, whether Blip.fm wants to acknowledge this truth or not; and

(b) Blip.fm will lose many customers/users if it continues to conduct its business unprofessionally (i.e., by offering terrible customer service + customer relations, primarily).

2. Blip.fm, by conducting itself as a “business dedicated to serving only the expectations of merchandising cultural industry” (I’m quoting you, @plotek), has truly crippled the very wondrous service that it once was. I agree, @plotek.

@plotek Where we disagree is on the following point:

1. You say that Blip.fm is “no longer worth anything.

To many of us, myself included, Blip.fm is still worth something.

a. Blip.fm provides access to a few, good, but very scattered Grooveshark .mp3s, and it provides access to many reasonably good-sounding YouTube videos in both mainstream and alternative or rare genres.

b. But more than anything, Blip.fm is a worthy social community — even now, after its owner has crippled, rather than enhanced, its service.

Again, I thank you for your reply, @plotek :-) Hugs, in the spirit of music, always.

prescottscott  on September 10th, 2011

spare helmet here, you are always welcome, Aviva!! Few things are more fun for me then meeting dear blippers…

blip.fm will still be my first stop, because people there are wonderful. But it will need supplementing with other music sites.

Thanks for your efforts and looking forward to our ride. :)) Scott

avivajazz  on September 10th, 2011

Thanks, @prescottscott (Scott)!

I think I’ll wear my heavy leather body suit, too. Just in case we hit a big old oil slick as we fly along the asphalt at 90 mph :-)

@avivajazz  on September 11th, 2011

Of the following “Herbie Nichols” jazz piano tracks, guess how many are “blippable”? Two (2). Blippable Grooveshark Tracks… Can you find them in this crowd?

I’m grateful for those 2 tracks, but, um…. clicking through all these dead links to find them?

Shoddy, shoddy, shoddy.

Blip Herbie Nichols - Lady Sings The Blues preview
Blip Herbie Nichols - Mine (1992 Digital Remaster) preview
Blip Herbie Nichols - Lady Sings The Blues preview
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - The Lady Sings The Blues preview
Blip Herbie Nichols - The Third World stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - The Third World (Alternate Take) stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - Step Tempest stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - Dance Line stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - Blue Chopsticks stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - Double Exposure (Alternate Take) stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - Double Exposure stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - Cro-Magnon Nights stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - Cro-Magnon Nights (Alternate Take) stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - It Didn’t Happen (Alternate Take) stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - Amoeba’s Dance stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - Brass Rings (Alternate Take) stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - Brass Rings stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - 2300 Skiddoo (Alternate Take) stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - 2300 Skiddoo stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - Shuffle Montgomery (Alternate Take) stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - It Didn’t Happen stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - Crisp Day stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - Shuffle Montgomery stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - The Gig stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - Applejackin’ (Alternate Version) stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - Hangover Triangle stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - The Lady Sings The Blues stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - Chit Chattin’ stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - House Party Starting stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - The Gig (Alternate Take) stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - Furthermore (Alternate Take #1) stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - Furthermore stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - 117th Street (Alternate Take) stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - 117th Street stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - Sunday Stroll stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - Nick At T’s stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - Furthermore (Alternate Take #2) stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - Terpischore stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - ‘Orse At Safari stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - Applejackin’ (Alternate Take) stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - Applejackin’ stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - Wildflower stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - Mine (Alternate Take) stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - Mine stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - Trio stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - Trio (Alternate Take) stop
Blip Herbie Nichols - The Spinning Song (Alternate Take) stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - The Spinning Song stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - Riff Primitif stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - Riff Primitif (Alternate Take) stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - Query (Alternate Take) stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - Query stop
Blip Herbie Nichols Trio - 70th Anniversary

Interozetor  on September 12th, 2011

Hi!

Is there any way to erase my whole playlist? I don’t want to delete all the dead links one by one … starting fresh would be the better option.

If you could - do it for me, please.

Roz

evablue  on September 13th, 2011

@interozetor send an email request to support@blip.fm. this isn’t really the place to make that request.

spacespencer  on September 14th, 2011

… first part of Interozetor’s question seems intersting to me too though.

Diplopito  on September 14th, 2011

Hi @Jeff, after reading all these feedback, you can say that you are a “victim of your own success”: we are pretty much attached to Blip and the shock of the links amputation still is there. As most of us have said, we really appreciate that you communicate with us, there are many questions unanswered:

1. Will there be a full integration with GS? Can we have any hope that the direct links to GS will be accepted by Blip at any moment in the future?

2. No idea with whom are you having legal issues, but it’s difficult to understand that sites like archive.org, soundcloud, bandcamp, where musicians share their music for free, are also blocked. Technically this is just an URL validation and things should work fine.

3. Is there any contact with Dropbox to enforce the Court ruling about their service?

4. You mentioned a new product: of course, with all these situation it’s easy to understand that it might be delayed, but is it related with the recent changes?

5. As many blipsters (and blipStars) pointed out, we still have to clean a lot of flags before being able to find a working link. Is there a way we can help you to fix this problem besides of flagging the entire catalogue? Will these flagged songs be back in the future?

Please Jeff (if possible) give us an update on the current state of Blip.fm. Any way, I hope that you are fine and staying steady in the middle of the “tempest”.

Greetings,

Daniel

evablue  on September 14th, 2011

Daniel,

I can’t answer on behalf of Jeff but the answer to your question 5 is in this post. Basically, if you click to hear a song and it’s unavailable, it removes itself from search next time.

Essentially there’s always discrepancies between the list of licensed tracks that are provided to us and grooveshark and the playable tracks themselves. In light of this, we’ve made our search smart so if a track is unavailable and there actually isn’t a corresponding file on grooveshark for the result, then it will no longer be shown. This means as time goes on you’ll see less and less unavailable tracks.

Diplopito  on September 15th, 2011

Eva,

Thanks for your reply. I understand better now. Do you know if it is possible to browse the GS playable and licensed tracks catalogue? This will finish another source of frustration.

evablue  on September 16th, 2011

Daniel,

Not sure that’s possible and I’m not the one to ask as I don’t have the answer to that.

I believe that EMI and anyone distributing through EMI have tracks on GS and a slew of independent artists. There’s an incomplete EMI list http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musicians_signed_to_EMI
I know it’s incomplete because I found a bunch of GS tracks of musicians who work with EMI that aren’t on the list.

Hope this helps a little.

TweakerRay  on September 16th, 2011

Well… I had a lot of my own remixes uploaded on my own webspace and connected here to blip.fm - I could possibly upload everything to youtube again, but really… This is just sad, that everything all users put together here is now gone… The great thing about blip.fm was that you heared new things… I think this was a good tool to get new songs and to also dj new things people possibly won’t hear otherwise… sad that now all is gone. The Grooveshark archive is a lot bigger than your few selected bands you put up…

I think blip.fm will get more unattractive to me, couse it has lost its beauty… sad…
I liked this very much and told much people about it.

If you aren’t allowed to connect your own content then this becomes a useless tool…

Cheers TweakerRay

CD  on September 16th, 2011

I can forgive the blip crew for most anything, and I’m sure they’re usually trying their best in a difficult market, but what I can’t forgive them is that they not only suddenly stopped developing the site a little less than a year ago but also that they couldn’t stop by and say something like “Hey, we’re busy but we’re not dead” even once over here during nine months or whatever it was.

Removing all user uploads and possibilites to blip newly released music all of a sudden without notice was just icing on the cake on top of that.

It’s almost like they’ve found out that their business model was wrong and they’re actually trying to slowly kill the site while starting up something else. If they leave it like this in silence again for another couple of months I think they just might succeed.

avivajazz  on September 16th, 2011

Forbes Magazine (article that I believe is relevant to problems between Blip.fm and its customers):

http://onforb.es/Corporate_Spring

“Trust is built by sharing vulnerability,” says John Hagel, a long time author and consultant who co-chairs Deloitte’s Center for the Edge. “The more you expose and share your problems, the more successful you become. It’s not about the top executive dictating what needs to be done and when, it’s about providing individuals with the power to connect.”

Benioff recounts his own epiphany about humility and transparency at Salesforce, which sells online software for salespeople. “In 2005 we had reliability problems with one of our servers. We weren’t talking about it, and customers were upset. It turned into a p.r. problem. And my marketing leader Bruce Francis came in and said, ‘Marc,you need to expose everything. You need to have a website that is directly connected to the computers. If they are running, the website should be green, and when they’re not it should be red.’ I had to open up.” Such a system has been in place ever since. “Social success is really based on trust,” Benioff opines. “If you don’t have transparency you will be eliminated by the system around you.” He is now writing a book arguing that every company must become what he calls a “social enterprise.”

The headlines abound with examples of the precariously shifting dynamic. Companies that show greed or insensitivity to workers or customers quickly find themselves on the defensive. Hershey looked Scrooge-like and clueless in August when 400 college students hired through a State Department-sponsored foreign-exchange program revolted, walking off their jobs. They didn’t like their stressful work in a candy-packing factory, sometimes on all-night shifts. These kids from China, Nigeria, Turkey and Ukraine are facile digital communicators and used YouTube, Facebook and other tools to bring attention to their plight.”

StreamingMimi  on September 19th, 2011

Just a quick announcement to anyone who may care:

My @StreamingMimi station has been ‘Temporarily Closed: Under Protest’ since 12:01 AM, 9-13-2011.

I miss everyone and I am hoping to return as soon as I see some improvements being made of the mess Blip.fm has become.

Warm love,
Whitney

astrayfilm  on September 19th, 2011

I am so pissed. In a matter of seconds upon a refresh of my computer I lost 600 listeners off my count! WTH is going on!!!???

StreamingMimi  on September 19th, 2011

Hmmmm…it’s amazing how the listener count works these days. Early today I got 4 new listeners and then this evening just 10 minutes after I had last checked I lost 26. Since I am not blipping (see post above) I can understand if I lose listeners, but 26 in 10 minutes? I smell a Blip.fm rat!

StreamingMimi  on September 19th, 2011

Ohhhh…I see I am not alone! So sorry to hear that @astrayfilm! Wow! and I thought my loss was bad! I wonder how many others lost listeners, too.

Jeff, do you want to tell us what is going on?

StreamingMimi  on September 19th, 2011

Yan? Anybody on the Blip.fm team care to respond to the loss of listeners. We’re not fussy, we don’t care who responds.

astrayfilm  on September 19th, 2011

It has happened to me in the past as well. Several hundred at a time and they never reappear. Blip better have an explanation for the loss of listeners. I have dealt with this before but 600 gone in 30 seconds is unacceptable. No way there was a mass exodus in 30 seconds.

astrayfilm  on September 19th, 2011

I have screenshots of before and after too. So pissed about this.

StreamingMimi  on September 19th, 2011

I can definitely understand how you feel, but guess what? Miraculously 10 of mine reappeared. Don’t know where the other 16 are, but maybe there will be another ‘miracle’ by tomorrow. I hope you get all of your 600 back! Good luck! (You will need it the way things have been going lately!)

astrayfilm  on September 19th, 2011

None of mine have. Still at 16272 from where it was originally at, 16823. Very discouraging. 4th time in 2 years it’s happened to me.

StreamingMimi  on September 19th, 2011

Well, forget what I said, because 9 of the 10 are gone again! Geez!!!

astrayfilm  on September 19th, 2011

That’s ridiculous. Anxiously awaiting feedback from Blip and the re-emergence of those listeners.

StreamingMimi  on September 20th, 2011

If you sent an email, don’t count on a response. I have sent 3 (emails) within the past week and have not received a reply to any of them. This seems to be the way the new Blip.fm works now. What a shame. It is merely a shadow of what it used to be.

Oh, and the 1 listener I thought was returned, was just that, a new listener. I have yet to have the lost 26 returned!

evablue  on September 20th, 2011

Blip.fm will look into the “missing listeners”. I made a request. Not sure this is a technical issue. They said nothing changed backend since the update.

Keep in mind that there’s ONE guy who helps out a couple of times a week on support tickets. I’m sure there’s a backlog.

Jeff  on September 20th, 2011

Hey everyone. I’ve been focusing on the new product and have asked @evablue and others to help in addressing some of your concerns and questions.

I tried to pull various questions/comments from the post and will try to respond in [brackets] below. I would like to thank several of you for taking the time in putting together lists of good questions that I should have addressed earlier and the productive discussion around this difficult situation - specifically, @diplopito, @CD, @avivajazz, @plotek, and @gr8fl.

Regards the integration of mp3, a simple question: Is this the end of what we can expect? Up to now it’s just ~1-2% of the whole content of Grooveshark. Just make your cross.

Yes [ ] No [X] [We have been talking to the Grooveshark team to understand why only a portion of the tracks are available. We'll do our best to keep you updated, but I have nothing to report right now.]

No idea with whom are you having legal issues, but it’s difficult to understand that sites like archive.org, soundcloud, bandcamp, where musicians share their music for free, are also blocked. Technically this is just an URL validation and things should work fine.

[As I've said many times, I can't go into details about the parties involved. We need to get permission for every source that we add to Blip.fm. We are trying to work to get permission to integrate other services such as Soundcloud back into Blip.]

As many blipsters (and blipStars) pointed out, we still have to clean a lot of flags before being able to find a working link. Is there a way we can help you to fix this problem besides of flagging the entire catalogue? Will these flagged songs be back in the future?

[Yan has implemented a system to remove songs the search results that are unavailable. I believe that the songs that are unavailable have been flagged in our database automatically. Again, we have reached out to Grooveshark to try to figure out what is going on.]

The bottom line is that the site does not work and nobody wants to play from a handful of songs. A million varied songs is nothing really considering the number of artists out there.

[Agreed, but we need to start somewhere. We hope to add new sources in the upcoming months.]

I can forgive the blip crew for most anything, and I’m sure they’re usually trying their best in a difficult market, but what I can’t forgive them is that they not only suddenly stopped developing the site a little less than a year ago but also that they couldn’t stop by and say something like “Hey, we’re busy but we’re not dead” even once over here during nine months or whatever it was.

[All I can say is that I'm sorry that we have not been more communicative. There are only so many hours in the day and we cannot accomplish everything that we would like. We have no full-time staff working on Blip.fm and we often do not cover our costs via ad revenue. I have one part time guy that reviews the support emails every two weeks and does his best to get back to people. I have been through this before, but I feel that it's important to reiterate this again. Having said that I certainly agree that we can do a better job in communications.]

You mentioned a new product: of course, with [this current] situation it’s easy to understand that it might be delayed, but is it related with the recent changes?

[We have been working on a new product since late last year. Please keep in mind that this new product is entirely different from Blip.fm, but it certainly has been inspired by Blip.fm. The recent changes have nothing to do with the new product. The recent changes in content are due to a licensing agreement.]

Please Jeff (if possible) give us an update on the current state of Blip.fm. Any way, I hope that you are fine and staying steady in the middle of the “tempest”.

[Thanks for the encouragement. Quite honestly, I've been better, but I'm doing my best. We are people too and not happy about this situation. Believe me that we did not want any of this to happen, but we had no choice in the matter. If we chose not to comply, the alternative would be to close up shop.]

I hope my answers are at least somewhat helpful. I have asked Yan to look into the issue with the listener counts. Again, I know everyone is angry and I understand where you are coming from. It is very challenging running a web property in the music industry. The operating mechanics are complex. We are doing our best to get through this and hope that you can be patient with us as we try to correct to this situation.

Best,

J

CD  on September 20th, 2011

@Jeff Thanks for the response. I know that you’re not the bad guys here but you have to vent your frustrations somewhere. Still hoping for the best.

StreamingMimi  on September 21st, 2011

Okay, since you have your ‘ambassadors’ working for you, Jeff, how about someone telling @scotlandtartanlover when she is going to get her @scotlandlover station back. She has been asking and asking, with no response. Can someone please give her an answer? She deserves to have it restored! I know you are busy, but please just take a minute to do that. You may think, well, she is only one DJ, but she should be considered just as important to you as anyone else. She is kind and sweet and does not deserve to be overlooked.

Jeff  on September 21st, 2011

@streamingMimi Thanks for the heads up. @briangreene (who is an ambassador) has been communicating with her. She is not the only one that has asked about this. I also want that users understand that deleting their account has consequences. We take steps to make sure that users really want do this. We provide a warning to users who choose to delete their account. Further, I am not entirely sure if we can revive these accounts once they are deleted. Having said that, I will ask Yan to look into that.

Unfortunately, we are way behind on support. Due to lack of resources, support requests such as a deleted accounts that users did on their own accord will fall to the bottom of the priority list. I wish I had a better answer, but other issues that affect the entire site such as figuring out the content situation take priority.

I normally do not respond to support requests on this blog because we cannot put them in the queue, but I do want to provide an answer for the benefit of all users.

avivajazz  on September 21st, 2011

Thank you for your communication, Jeff. I appreciate the extra glimpse into some of the issues you’re dealing with.

However, I’m quite puzzled about your decision to enter into such an unsatisfactory licensing agreement with Grooveshark.

Either Grooveshark is “ripping you off,” or you have a very limited license, or there’s miscommunication, or… who knows? I can only speculate.

And I’m also wondering: Is the intent to keep Blip.fm stumbling along, to keep it just barely alive, until your new product fills “Blip’s” old shoes?

A final question: Are you unconcerned about the steadily increasing exodus of Blip.fm DJs?

If so, is that because you intend (or may intend) to replace Blip.fm relatively soon with your new online music service?

It seems that way to me because you are losing so many Blip.fm DJs that the place feels like a dying party.

Again, I appreciate your lengthy and welcome blog comment (above), and feel better when I get a sense that you’re still “here” and responsive.

I appreciate Blip.fm very much, and hope that whatever you replace it with will be as good as the “old Blip.” Or better ;-)

Regards, Aviva

Jeff  on September 21st, 2011

@avivajazz Thanks for your encouragement and commentary.

I’ve taken a few excerpts from your post and will do my best to respond [in brackets] below:

Either Grooveshark is “ripping you off,” or you have a very limited license, or there’s miscommunication, or… who knows? I can only speculate.

[Grooveshark is not the enemy here. In fact, they have agreed to help us with the content. As you know, I cannot go into the details about the licensing arrangement.]

And I’m also wondering: Is the intent to keep Blip.fm stumbling along, to keep it just barely alive, until your new product fills “Blip’s” old shoes?

[Our plan is to keep Blip.fm running for the foreseeable future. However, as you know, Blip's current content situation leaves much room for improvement. We are building a new (and entirely different) product that we hope to run in parallel to Blip.fm. In our opinion, nothing could fit Blip.fm's shoes except Blip.fm itself. However, the new product addresses the content situation, but it will be used in an entirely different way. More on this later. We will start inviting the most active DJs on Blip.fm to participate in our alpha release shortly.]

A final question: Are you unconcerned about the steadily increasing exodus of Blip.fm DJs?

[Of course, I'm concerned, but I can't control their decisions and I'm doing the best given my current lack of resources and my licensing restrictions. As you know, Blip.fm is a free product and people can come and go as they choose. People get interested in new things and move on for various reasons (like the unfortunate change of content sources). In fairness, please be aware that there are also users who are OK with YouTube and the Grooveshark content and are continuing to use the product.]

I hope that helps. We’re looking to make a fresh start with the new product, but we also want to make sure that Blip.fm continues to be a fun experience for its users. Please let me know if you or others would like to get invited to try the new product.

Best,

J

scotlandlover  on September 21st, 2011

@Jeff

Will the new product have the capability to interact with other DJ’s like blip has? It has been an important part of my life for 2.5 years and I had over 25.5K listeners. I DO indeed want restored and know it can happen but my support requests have gone unanswered for over a month. A few others I know of have emailed of their own accord on my behalf…I did NOT start a campaign to flood support with reinstatement requests. AND I do thank you Jeff for blip!!!

But I digress….so will the new product be like blip in that regard or not?

J aka scotlandlover

p.s. @streamingmimi thank you for your kind words…you didn’t have to do that :)

Dawnrazor  on September 21st, 2011

[As I've said many times, I can't go into details about the parties involved. We need to get permission for every source that we add to Blip.fm. We are trying to work to get permission to integrate other services such as Soundcloud back into Blip.]

And that’s when you became just a marketing tool for the record industry. I mean really, what is their incentive to allow you to pull public domain material from Archive.org or from truly independent bands instead of stuff that promotes their artists and makes them $$ ?

And what’s with all the outages lately?

GR8FL  on September 21st, 2011

Folks, how about giving this a rest for a while? I don’t like this, as much, if not more, than anyone else, but it is what it is.

I think it’s time to take a few steps back (or someplace) and see where this all ends up. Perhaps, in the meantime you could vent your anger and frustration at the music recording industry who is responsible for so many arcane regulations.

StreamingMimi  on September 21st, 2011

Um, no! We are venting where we should be venting.

Oh, and Jeff, I like you and truly do appreciate Blip.fm, but in your long post above you said a lot of nothing. The only thing new I deduced from your many words is the realization that the reason not much of anything is getting done at Blip.fm is probably because you have been too busy ‘working on a new product since late last year’. Sorry, Jeff, but I have been ‘out of props’ for you for a while now.

@scotlandtartanlover, you are so welcome. I hope you get your @scotlandlover station back soon.

Jeff, thank-you for your response and attention to her dilemma.

Dancer12  on September 21st, 2011

Having a second sleepless night, I’m reading the ‘Blog’, not done in forever…and have never commented. First,I am still glad there is a blip!! Second, glad to know there is a Jeff with helpers. Since I am not a computer geek, don’t even know how to bring music from you to blip, or ‘up load’, And I am not a Musician/Composer, I am on blip for fun, exchanges with other blippers.

Was introduced to blip by my daughter, much to her later regret as I became a blip addict after my broken neck car crash. Blip has done wonders for me, I truly still enjoy it. Have to be real honest and say I don’t even have complaints about song availability (a few I loved are gone)..for most part, there are MORE versions and videos than before (for my style of blipping).

Here since June 09, I’ve made lots of ‘friends’, and a few enemies I guess (even evablue has me blocked, must have said something). I would be very sad to see blip go away. I was very sad to see the ‘Protesters’ LEVS and StreamingMimi leave ~ felt abandoned even….understand the upset people, who have lots of work involved in their uploads, feel…. But I’ll wager that most joined blip for the fun of blipping to each other, meeting people, ‘twittering’ to music Not as a place to Upload Music to listen to Themselves (that’s what your CD player is for)! So they took Joy away from me, both were VIPsters for me. But life goes on, and to me, it’s like they’re Pouting, or on Strike.

Like to listen to “Craig Morgan - This Ain’t Nothin” once in a while, to keep things in proper perspective! We live in a Blessed Country, have the time and freedom to spend time on blip. My daughter thinks we are all idiots, and all should give just one BLIP hour a week to VA hospitals and make the world a better place. (also thinks some of us need ‘to get a life’ …think she means Me)

Repeat, Glad to know there is a ‘Jeff’, glad there is a Blip…haven’t noticed it I’ve lost any listeners..not a bean counter once I found out #’s didn’t really mean anything, that I couldn’t use my credits or props or listeners to purchase anything at Starbucks or Publix!! Heck, we don’t even have a blip Store to buy shirts and pencils, like Google!!

Smiles, everybody, and 5 H’s for Hugs, Health, Happiness and High Hopes!!

Kudos, Dancer12 (Flo) ;-)

evablue  on September 22nd, 2011

Dancer12,

I remember you. Remember this?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/evablue/4301751933/

I’ve unblocked you but PLEASE do not repeat. ;)

avivajazz  on September 22nd, 2011

Thanks for your excellent responses to my questions, Jeff.

And yes, absolutely yes! I’d love to try your new release in its alpha (or any other stage). I’d be thrilled to catch it in its first stages, and even more thrilled to offer constructive feedback, if that’s useful to you and the development of your new product.

Like some others, I find that the videos and limited Grooveshark tracks are okay for my style of “blipping,” although not as ideal as being able to supplement with my own registered hotlinks.

So, I’m still enjoying my blip experience, and find that there are still DJs here that I love to chat with and listen to.

But I’m truly looking forward to your new product, Jeff. Please let me know if you’d like me to participate in the new product release… I’d love an invitation.

Thanking you in advance,,
Aviva “avivajazz” Gabriel

hajoni  on September 23rd, 2011

Hi Jeff, thank you for your response to my Question.
Q Was: “Regards the integration of mp3, a simple question:Is this the end of what we can expect?
Up to now it’s just ~1-2% of the whole content of Grooveshark. Just make your cross
Yes [ ]No [ ] …” Your answer [x]
So I start hoping again and gonna try to use Blip as it is now, with few mp3 and Youtubes.

But, just because I don’t know if you and my dear co-blippers over the ocean are aware about the use of Youtube in countries outside the USA:
a big amount, especially of the good videos, are not avaliable at all because of license agreements… e.g. with the Gema or other European organizations.
For example: No chance to blip a Youtube of Jefferson Airplane aso….and no mp3 either.
To my experience about 30% and more are not showing.
So it’s still a very annoying and unpleasant and “un”global blipping at this very moment.

Regards H

Jeff  on September 23rd, 2011

@dancer12 Thanks for the commentary and support.

@avivajazz That’s great! We’re still working on the new product, but I will be sure to get you an early invite to do some initial testing with us. Thanks again for the offer to help!

@hajoni It’s going to take time, but we hope that we can improve the situation for everyone. Unfortunately, we have no control over the international restrictions, but we know they exist and we understand that they are frustrating. I really appreciate your patience while we work through this.

Best,

J

Sylak  on September 23rd, 2011

I hope that the new product has the same social strength that Blip.fm currently has. Can’t wait to see it!

BobOstwald  on September 24th, 2011

Jeff,

Thanks for blip.fm. I pretty much left a twitter addiction for a blip addiction. Having said that, I am hoping the new product you’re working on will include the interaction components of blip and take it all to a new level. If we just want to play music, there a re plenty of options (last.fm and Spotify come to mind). There is something about the blip community that makes this place special.

Please add my name to the list of alpha/beta volunteers. And if there’s any work that volunteers could do to augment your short staff, I’d be interested in discussing it. I’ll bet others would too.

Regards,
Bob

PollysMusic  on September 26th, 2011

I would be as well happy to help in any way I can alpha / beta testing for you. My experience on Blip has been a positive, fun one. I love the DJs I follow. I’m addicted to Blipping! I too would love to see this expand and grow interaction wise.

CamelWalk  on September 26th, 2011

I, too, would love to be included among alpha/beta testers. Until recently, blip.fm was nothing but a joy. I commend Jeff and the team for all their hard work.

avivajazz  on September 26th, 2011

Jeff, thanks for your quick answer re: alpha/beta testing. [You wrote: "I will be sure to get you an early invite to do some initial testing with us.:]

Also, I’ll “second” what BobOstwald proposed, and offer my volunteer services to help “augment your short staff” with the new product.

Let us know if we can help, above and beyond alpha/beta testing.

I’d be happy to talk with you to determine if I can match any of your “new product” needs with my skills.

Best regards,
Aviva

diplopito  on September 27th, 2011

Hi Jeff,

Thanks again for your replies. I share the same concern of @avivajazz and other dj’s: people are leaving Blip, mostly due to the flagged songs and the (still) limited Grooveshark catalogue. It’s very positive to know that this issue is top ranked in your priority list, thanks for that, it’s a second amputation to see great dj’s leaving the community.

I’m also up for alpha/beta testing, please send me an invitation, very good to be able to support you in some way.

Cheers and keep up the good spirit!

Jeff  on September 27th, 2011

@sylak
@bobostwald
@pollysmusic
@camelwalk
@avivajazz
@diplopito

Thanks guys. I will send a URL that you can go to so we can send an invitation code. We are getting very close, but it’s not quite there yet as it’s a bit buggy. Also, please keep in mind that this is NOT blip.fm, but it has certainly been inspired by it. There are product features that are totally different. I really appreciate the offer to help as we will need a lot!

Best,

J

scotlandlover  on September 27th, 2011

TO Jeff, Yan, Briangreene, blipstaff, blipbuds, etc

Thank you!

StreamingMimi  on September 27th, 2011

So happy you got @scotlandlover back!!!

Thanks, Jeff and all!!! Wow, gave me some renewed faith in you guys!

avivajazz  on September 28th, 2011

Thanks so much for restoring @scotlandlover …

avivajazz  on September 28th, 2011

Thank you, <Jeff. Very much looking forward to helping out on the new product. :) Let me know if there’s anything else that you could use volunteers for.

avivajazz  on September 28th, 2011

Thank you, Jeff. Very much looking forward to helping out on the new product. :) Let me know if there’s anything else that you could use volunteers for.

Sylak  on September 28th, 2011

Thanks Jeff! Look forward to it! :)

BobOstwald  on September 29th, 2011

Thanks, Jeff. Will look for that URL.

On a totally unrelated topic: Is there a known reason why some of us are no longer getting notification emails?

Thanks.

Jeff  on September 29th, 2011

@BobOstwald If you are referring to the weekly updates, we are considering various potential email vendors.

If you are referring to the email notifications when you’ve received props or new followers, have you checked out http://blip.fm/settings/preferences

BobOstwald  on September 30th, 2011

Sorry, Jeff, I thought you’d heard. A number of us are not receiving any notifications when we are replied to, are propped, or get new listeners. Most strange. No settings have been changed. My settings are set to receive these notifications and I have been getting them just fine for a couple of years until a couple of weeks ago. Can’t figure out what happened.

translucent  on October 2nd, 2011

I would like to be on the alpha list for the new product. I may not be a “superuser” in that I don’t blip 12 hours a day, but I blip consistently every day, and am one of the few DJ’s who organizes their music in terms of “sets,” with an eye towards continuity from one offering to another. Because I have contributed a great amount of intellectual and emotional energy to creating a good station, I am of course very disillusioned, insulted, and demoralized by the way in which the music holocaust unfolded. I remember thinking, upon discoveing Blip and migrating from Last.FM, that this site was too good to be true. As an experienced radio DJ, I actually enjoyed my virtual station here at Blip more than the show I do bi-weekly on an actual FM station, and that’s saying something. Regarding Grooveshark, I have had to delete the few offerings I found satisfactory because, after blipping them, I discovered that they don’t stream satisfactorily. Has anyone else had this problem? Finally, the social aspect that many contributors to this blog have cited as the essense of Blip.FM is only marginally important to me personally. What I value is the concept of crafting a unique RADIO STATION within the Blip cyber-platform. I can continue to sculpt a network personality, notwithstanding the increased challenge of sifting the wheat from a vastly amplified inclusion of chaff. And not being able to upload is one of the most cynically engendered disenfranchisements I’ve ever suffered. But I’m still with Blip, because I love radio, and it’s a chance to run a station without spending a few million to buy one. Check out my station, y’all. I play music that is not mainstream and is good, even given the new limitations. Peace and love to all Blip DJ’s, Atsumi (Translucent)

StreamingMimi  on October 3rd, 2011

Hey Jeff, here is a question I do not think has been asked. Once you get your new product up and running is Blip.fm going to be shut down if it is a success? Thanks and have a great week.

Jeff  on October 5th, 2011

@bobostwald - thanks for the heads up. We’ll look into this.

@translucent - I’ll add you to the list of alpha users. Also, thanks so much for the feedback

@streamingMimi - The question has already been asked, but I know there are a lot of posts to read. The answer is that we would like to keep Blip.fm running regardless of whether the new product is a success.

katost  on October 6th, 2011

I love blip and have been patient but Grooveshark did not help. Most of the truly interesting DJs have disappeared. please make it possible for people who cannot blip Youtube videos to use blip. If you are going to simply use youtube for the rest of us could you integrate an option to paste specific videos in as blast.fm is doing so I can stop wasting my time digging through all the useless options.

bobostwald  on October 6th, 2011

Jeff, email notifications are working again. Thx.

@jeffie  on October 7th, 2011

The following may seem to be a minor issue, I know, compared to the issues discussed in the above posts for the preceding several weeks (on the other hand, it may be a much more agreeable one to address :P):

Would it be possible to add additional badges between the 10K- and 25K-listener badges?

I hit 10K (I’m now at just below 19K) so long ago that I think I still had a full head of hair back then and my beard was not yet white. The addition of new listeners has slowed to a trickle for me, and given the current Blip status quo, may continue thusly.

How about 15K and 20K badges? It detracts not a bit from the accomplishments of the Blipstars with 25K and 50K listeners, and would throw a bone to us who blip virtually every day (and have now done so for three years and counting, in my particular case).

Thanks for any feedback, and I would be glad as well to be a tester on the new product if you so wish.

StreamingMimi  on October 8th, 2011

Jeff: Hmmm… You said ‘we would like to keep Blip.fm running regardless of whether the new product is a success’, but you did not say you WILL keep it running.

Here is what you said on August 29th, 2011

[Running a business in the music space is extremely complicated - there are real costs involved, legal and operational risks, and customer service needs. With limited resources, it makes operations even more complicated.]

If ‘limited resources’ are an issue for Blip.fm, I wonder how you will be able to keep the ‘new product’ going when it is up and running, PLUS Blip.fm.

Thanks for your response, I do appreciate it.

astrayfilm  on October 12th, 2011

I would like to be on the alpha list of the new product as well please.

When is the issue of blocks of listeners disappearing going to be addressed? I am still missing over 600 from this latest disappearing act and this is the 4th one in 2 years with none being returned to me.

Also, is anything being done to reach out to all the listeners to keep them engaged or ring them back to Blip? Shouldn’t an e-mail newsletter go out to all users with any good news the company has?

Thanks

astrayfilm  on October 12th, 2011

Bring, not ring. My apologies.

zx81basic  on October 14th, 2011

Here are my suggestions. Obviously, I’m restating a lot of what has been said already.

1. Fix broken links in the Grooveshark database.
2. Restore access to SoundCloud and Archive.org and make them searchable from Blip.fm. I currently follow three independent musicians, and they need to at least be able to play their own tunes. A lot of the old public domain stuff is cool too.
3. Have an official iPad app.
4. Figure out how to generate enough revenue to sustain and improve the service while keeping it free.

Nothing wrong with starting a new project, and I would be interested in trying it out. I understand that this is a small company and resources are limited. But, at least as I see it, I think that what it takes to make the existing project great again is easy to define and doable.

@junolt  on October 14th, 2011

I’m shocked you don’t this really a chatroom.

LEVS  on October 16th, 2011

Apparently blip is nothing you want to keep priority on. Good luck with your new project, hope it will deliver sufficient profit.

Have a good time, you seemingly do not need your loyal community.

astrayfilm  on October 18th, 2011

No response to my issue doesn’t bode well for future loyalty. Over 600 listeners gone in a flash and no response.

evablue  on October 22nd, 2011

@astrayfilm there’s a lot to read in the comments section of this and the last post. basically, it was mentioned that blip did a quick check and there’s no indications of any database error or the like. some of the other users mentioned the same problem. some said it fixed itself. personally, i haven’t had these issues, so i’m guessing it happened to a few users. a hiccup somewhere or users just left with the last update and it’s being reflected in the listener count. i can’t say why it happened. i’m sure they will look into it if a significant number of users have the same issues as they’d have to put their limited resources into this. i’m being factual. i’m not saying your issue is not important. i’m saying there’s probably a lot of support tickets.

@jeff is there a way to reset the support tickets? to email the users who have requested support issues to redo their tickets? i’m guessing there’s a lot of tickets which are outdated. i’m thinking this would help? just a suggestion.

StreamingMimi  on October 25th, 2011

It’s not a ‘hiccup’ and my guess is their ‘limited resources’ are going into the ‘new product’. There are many, many, many DJs experiencing problems, not just ‘a few users’. Just because only a few (and it’s been more than ‘a few’) speak up, does not mean it is only a minor problem. I have seen no improvements on Blip.fm…not one! We all love music so we are sticking it out, but definitely not without difficulties. Many have lost their accounts and/or lost listeners, all for no apparent reason, and they are playing heck to get them back! I lost 26 listeners from one minute to the next. And I am sick of the reference to ‘limited resources’ when Jeff could get help that has been offered, but refuses, saying he wants to keep it a free site. Well, guess what? We would all rather donate some cash and see the site improve back to what it used to be. Oh, and I know why he does not want donations AND what is going on, and I think time will prove me right!

Hey, Jeff, cry me a river and then stock it with fish, because that’s what this whole thing is…fishy!

LEVS  on October 25th, 2011

Business Fundamentals excerpt: “Try everything to keep the loyal customers you have. They will not easily come back if disapointed enough to leave.”

evablue  on October 25th, 2011

I don’t speak for blip on this matter. These are MY comments. I feel the need to express myself.

Ever since the beginning of blip, people have complained about listener counts. Blip is social. There are people attached to each account whether the account is active or not. EACH person has the right to remove favourite users. IF it’s such a wonderful community THEN WHY do users focus so much on the numbers? IF it is such a great community, then the number of listeners you have is not so important. IF it is about community THEN it should be about quality not quantity? IF numbers are important then it’s about popularity.

I am saying, PERHAPS if the comments on these blog posts are how you speak in 150 char blips THEN PERHAPS people are unfavouriting. It’s NOT all technical. There is a human factor on blip too.

I can not speak on behalf of other people… I do unfavourite users based on their behaviour, language, musical taste and whatever I feel like but that’s just because I’m quirky like that.

Feel free to [spacebar] this comment.

spacespencer  on October 25th, 2011

IF it is about community THEN it should be about quality

Ha, that made me laugh. Very poor search results and YouTube. Ha ha.

GR8FL  on October 26th, 2011

If only blip had the audio content available I would like, I’d be blipping some tracks from the Wizard of Oz right about now. ♫♪ If I only a had a…♫♪

evablue  on October 26th, 2011

So sawry.

I didn’t qualify my statement with “QUALITY OF PEOPLE”. Regardless of platform, QUALITY of people make social, not QUANTITY of people does true social make.

Jeff  on October 26th, 2011

@evablue thanks for the heads up on listener counts. I’ll ask Yan to look into it.

StreamingMimi  on October 30th, 2011

First of all, if numbers shouldn’t matter why did Jeff incorporate them? Your perception of the numbers does not match mine. You are right, numbers DO matter to me, just as I am certain they do to most DJs. You see, I appreciate each and every DJ who finds the music I play worthy of listening to. Increasing my numbers is not what I am after, if I were I would be there around the clock, but I am honored by the listeners I have and I was disappointed when 26 of them vanished within minutes, probably due to a Blip.fm error. I do not like to ‘unfavourite’ users, but, like you, I do so when I do not feel comfortable following them for one reason or another, and that is exactly why when you followed me a long time ago and I followed you back, I ended up removing you first from my ‘Favorites’ list. It was because of your avatar.

translucent  on November 6th, 2011

This message is for StremingMimi. Like many Blip dj’s, I’m disgusted and disheartened by the cynical curtailment of freedom on Blip. However, I must say that I lost respect for your posts when you said that you would not re-open your station unless improvements were made. You did not follow through. I continue to blip, because I still love the site and the concept, despite the severe downgrade. But I never threatened to leave. Look at a DJ like Plotek, for instance, who was a great DJ who followed through on his pronouncements. In my mind, his forthrightness is worthy of respect. As for your discussion with EvaBlue, I have found all of her posts to be extremely obnoxious, so I understand your antipathy.

StreamingMimi  on November 7th, 2011

translucent: You do not know how much I appreciate your post here! Your comments are so important!

You (DJs) are the reason I am still there, to try to encourage others like you and me to let Jeff know here on the ‘Blog’ that we are not happy with the fact that while he is ‘working on a new product’ (Jeff on September 20th, 2011) he is doing nothing to repair the damage done at Blip.fm. I understand you losing respect for my posts because of my return to blipping, but I did so because after a month of watching and seeing no improvements I wanted to try to encourage anyone who is saddened and upset by what Blip.fm has become to please speak up and let Jeff know, but other than your comments yesterday, no one is saying anything. I have been a complete failure in my attempts. Please forgive me for that, I truly am disappointed in myself, too.

translucent  on November 8th, 2011

Hi StreamingMimi, your response was noble. Thank you. I do understand your return — blipping has become an integral part of my lifestyle, and is not easily jettisoned. While the social aspects of Blip were not originally important to me, they have become more prominent as time passes. In light of the significant exodus of many good DJs, I have become especially attached and appreciative of those who have remained. From my perspective, there is no pleasure that can equal that of shaping and evolving one’s own radio station, and that is exactly the opportunity Blip provides, even within the recently diminished format. I have found the Grooveshark tracks to be unplayable because they don’t blip properly. Sometimes, “tender mercies” occur, and I am hoping that this will somehow happen here at our home. I dare to hope, although it is counter-intuitive, that Jeff will be able to transcend his “licensing agreement” and allow at least a limited return to personal uploads. I’m glad that you have returned to Blip — there have been quite a few defections, especially among those DJs who play my style of music. It’s a lonely time on Blip, but so be it. We’ve got to encourage and nurture those that remain. Is it naive to think that somehow Blip can eventually recapture the aura it once had? Finally, I am surprised, just as you are, that this forum is so under-populated. Given the twitter format on the regular station beat, this is the only means available to interact “off-stage” with like-minded blipsters. Best Regards, Atsumi (Translucent)

spacespencer  on November 16th, 2011

Seems many peeps are slowly but surely losing interest in blip.fm:

http://siteanalytics.compete.com/blip.fm/

What to do?
(if there is a will to do anything at all)

CD  on November 17th, 2011

Like I said right away, the site is gonna slowly fade away since they’re got other priorities since a year and a half back and they’re not really interested in doing anything to fix this site since they can’t make any money out of the business model.

What were left with now is essentially Youtube videos that are 50/50 to embed or not (the official stuff is less likely to) and a small selection of Grooveshark songs that sometimes might play for some visitors and a little bit later they won’t, so, I don’t even bother looking at those.

For some reason some Youtube videos will embed on other sites but they won’t play here, and it’s so annoying. I struggle to find motivation to go on for every single blip at this point.

It’s especially annoying since it’s accompanied by dead silence from the staff… What a shock that people are abandoning ship.

Well, I had a good time for a while so thanks for that anyway. I just wish you would’ve been more upfront and communicative near the end.

jong  on November 23rd, 2011

What are you going to do now blip since Grooveshark is getting sued?

http://gizmodo.com/5862026/grooveshark-will-soon-be-destroyed

This will be the end very soon.

MarkMoregain  on November 24th, 2011

@Spacespencer

Thanks for the statistics. I was wondering about this for a while. It seems that even before the “big bang” many people were losing interest, if you compare visitors 1 year ago to visitors a few months back. Is it the rise of other music related websites and services that could have caused this…?

After Blip.fm turned out to be YouTube-only visitors have dropped even more.
It’s sad. I first tried to be hopeful but cannot seem to get back into it.
Personally I had nothing against blipping a YT vid, if it was of good quality. The thing is, it takes so long digging through the YT cover and live vids to find for instance an album version.

That is why I loved the “-video” option in the past and could use the many audio files that were there to find.

Still miss the way we could interact on blip and haven’t found something else on internet that provides a similar experience to me.

spacespencer  on November 24th, 2011

props @MarkMoregain ;)

And yeah, an alternative would be cool.

Any reactions of the peeps in charge on the latest posts here? @Jeff? @Yan? … Anyone? … Anyone? … Bueller?

GR8FL  on November 25th, 2011

props to both spacespencer and MarkMoregain also.

Alternatives? I have looked and looked and failed. Turntable.fm did show promise initially, but it really is troll-packed with ego maniacs in gorilla suits. Not at all a good replacement. And the rest are mostly non-interactive.

Blame? Believe it should go right to the short-sighted recording industry playing the same old, unrealistic song and not taking advantage of any of the technology that exists today. I will point to this article that is still timely written by John Mellencamp: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-mellencamp/on-my-mind-the-state-of-t_b_177836.html. He wrote this in 2009 to other recording artists. Here is an excerpt: “If we have any hope for survival of the music that we all love, compassion must replace name-calling, fairness must replace greed and we need to come together as a musical community”.

Meanwhile, I will continue to poke around for other alternatives for us blip-exilers.

If we have any hope for survival of the music that we all love, compassion must replace name-calling, fairness must replace greed and we need to come together as a musical community

buzzfledderjohn  on November 30th, 2011

any way to offer (as an option for users) blip as a spotify app?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31001_3-57333669-261/will-spotify-app-ecosystem-offer-big-advantages/

Jeff  on December 2nd, 2011

@buzzfiedderjohn: We are looking into ways to work with Spotify to access some of their content. This will take time, but could be an interesting way to partner with a larger catalog of licensed music. The current partnership model involves building an app inside the Spotify app and would require some serious re-working on the engineering front.

Also some of you asked about the inconsistency of the number of followers. Yan is still looking into this. It is a known database bug and he has been looking to try to solve this for some time. Unfortunately, I don’t have any visibility on when this can be fixed.

@spacespencer @MarkMoregain @CD @translucent @streamingmimi: Sorry for not being more responsive. We are still cranking away on the new product and have not forgotten about any of you. We just want to make sure that when we begin alpha testing, it is stable and addresses many of the suggestions that you have brought up in the past.

These things always take longer than we think… please stay tuned.

translucent  on December 4th, 2011

Recent comments by spacespencer and markmoregain and GR8FL are insightful. Turntable is not an option, imo. I tried it - the data base is pretty good, and provides practice for sharpening precision within genres. But overall it is a soulless experience, like going to a club by yourself, having a few highs interacting with interesting strangers, and then leaving with indifference. Nothing can replace the experience of Blip.FM. Even with the You.Tube-only holocaust, I have found that there is plenty to like about the site, and I am still able to post sets I am more than satisfied with. Long live Blip.FM, and I hope they can let us upload once again. That would be a nice redemption for the coming year.

mark_till  on December 4th, 2011

I am getting to most of the songs that I want–I got used to garbage picking among the you tube videos a long time ago. :-)
Most of what I plan on blipping hasn’t been written yet anyway. Viva la blip!

MaxKeller  on December 4th, 2011

I’ve noticed that the few new members such as myself don’t get the badge for blipping 1 song. Or any others aside the # of listeners one. Any chance this will be repaired soon?

CD  on December 4th, 2011

I wish that flagging system that you talked about like a year ago would be implemented since that would help for Youtube blip immensely.

Many songs that you search for have dozens of crappy live versions and dozens of covers, usually tagged so you can’t recognize what is what, and only one official video, which often is impossible to stream because it’s blocked by retarded record companies, and that gets a bit annoying in the long run.

Lilix  on December 6th, 2011

Hard to blip these days… no song available… too sad… Is it time for me to quit blipping?

MaxKeller  on December 9th, 2011

As Kate Bush sings: Don’t Give Up. :)

Diplopito  on December 28th, 2011

Hi Jeff,

Time to wish you a super 2012 and to thank you and your team for all your efforts with Blip. This was my first year and it has been a memorable experience (with deep moments of pain, especially when I remember the lost dear DJs…).

I hope that 2012 will bring back good news to all Blip community.

Cheers,

Daniel

hypnotica  on December 30th, 2011

I love Blip. I miss Blip…

Can’t blip from my main page - even the public version of my main page doesn’t work & its specific to my account it seems. Have emailed support but no joy at all. Countless attempts are getting zip response. Dont want to have to get 2500 listeners back again on a new profile. Any help or even a response wld b appreciated. Thx

LlamaDisco  on January 6th, 2012

Okay, I don’t really know what has been going on, I’ve been away from Blip for at least 6 months and just came back a few days ago. Gotta say, I’m totally frustrated. I’d say 85% of the songs I want to Blip are unavailable. Probably 90% or more of my playlist is gone. Fine, I understand being in legal compliance and stuff like that, but what’s the use of this site anymore? it’s no fun spending 20 minutes looking for the next song to play. It seems like my fellow DJ’s are reblipping each others songs ad naseum, probably because they can’t find any other songs to play. This site used to be fun, but now it’s nothing but aggravation. I can’t even figure out how to get my Blips to show up on Facebook, it isn’t working. Think I’m outta here…too bad, I used to like it so much.

CD  on January 9th, 2012

Grooveshark-getting-sued update, it’s apparently 17,1 billion dollars in total:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/music/all-four-major-record-labels-are-now-suing-grooveshark/

Was this the best partner that you could find? They won’t even bother making their tracks to work here.

ScanSnap S1500  on January 12th, 2012

I enjoy your perspective. I will be returning in the near future to read more.

barrypartington  on February 4th, 2012

It’s unfortunate that the technology may falter at times at the beautiful escape that the Blip world is, and I certainly understand some to the frustration that comes with music that won’t play.

My biggest issue with Blip isn’t about the technology or the business ideology behind it; my beef is I don’t get enough time to Blip more!

In my opinion, Blip’s strength has always and will continue to be the many wonderful DJ’s sharing not only great music, but also ideas, laughter and support.

Thanks Blip for a very positive, intoxicating experience!

BobOstwald  on February 8th, 2012

Will the “new blip” be based on something other than flash? Blip could then extend to iPads and iPhones.

Thx…

F4MU5  on February 17th, 2012

thats enough to make somebody forget about the old amount. aslong as it doesn’t happen to often everything should be alright

@mark_till  on March 30th, 2012

quite a few of the grooveshark tracks are dead at this point.

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